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[m williamson]

1 hour ago, cressida said:

 

 

As a matter of interest which one, and why exactly would he have been able to do so? It's not as if he's a gentle pacifist is it? 

 

https://www.justsecurity.org/91904/dissecting-trumps-peacefully-and-patriotically-defense-of-the-january-6th-attack/

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-capitol-probes-season-finale-focus-trump-supporters-three-hour-rage-2022-07-21/

 

He incited the mob, then did nothing to intervene and ask them to stop using violence.  Five people died as a result of the attack 174 police officers were injured and four officers who responded to the assault committed suicide within months of the incident.

If Trump was incapable - or disinclined - to stop an attack that resulted in death and casualties to his own citizens, in his country's capitol city what gives you the idea that he'd be able to achieve anything in an international situation?

 

 

 

 

[The_DADDY]

You're 'take' on the Jan 6 nonsense is really rather funny.

The person mainly responsible for that nightmare is Nancy Pelosi.

[butlers]

Of course the mob of mugs called to Washington was needed to cause chaos for the fraudulant electors scheme to be attempted.

Dispite his family and propagandists like Hannity and Laura Ingram telling him to call them off ,he said nothing for nearly four hours.

Glad his cult members by the hundreds got criminal records.

 

 

 

 

[m williamson]

36 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

You're 'take' on the Jan 6 nonsense is really rather funny.

The person mainly responsible for that nightmare is Nancy Pelosi.

 

Of course she was, not the onanist that incited people to attack the Capitol building. No, it was the woman who was under threat that brought the whole thing about 🙄. Pelosi did not have responsibility for overseeing the Capitol police operations.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/02/fact-check-u-s-capitol-police-board-committees-oversee-security/6837263002/

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/21/politics/fact-check-jim-jordan-nancy-pelosi-january-6-security/index.html

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/18/republican-steve-scalise-capitol-attack-jan-6

 

Your ' take ' is really rather moronic, still I suppose consistency is to be expected, do try to be a little less gullible in future, if you are can manage it.

 

 

[trastrick]

15 hours ago, m williamson said:

 

Of course she was, not the onanist that incited people to attack the Capitol building. No, it was the woman who was under threat that brought the whole thing about 🙄. Pelosi did not have responsibility for overseeing the Capitol police operations.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/02/fact-check-u-s-capitol-police-board-committees-oversee-security/6837263002/

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/21/politics/fact-check-jim-jordan-nancy-pelosi-january-6-security/index.html

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/18/republican-steve-scalise-capitol-attack-jan-6

 

Your ' take ' is really rather moronic, still I suppose consistency is to be expected, do try to be a little less gullible in future, if you are can manage it.

 

 

 

You need to get up to date, if you wish to comment on current events. My polite way of saying get your head out of the sand, or your assets.

 

Your 3 year old links go back to the halcyon days when Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler held the reins of power in the U.S. Congress, were basking in the glow of the Russian Collusion/Pee  Tape hoaxes, and could lie with impunity, and have each lie resonate down the echo chamber of their friends in the MSM.

 

They have now been removed from the powerful positions they held, as the Republican Party was duly elected to be in charge of the U.S. Congress,  with a new speaker and control of the powerful Committees.

 

As a result, through Congressional Hearings, with witnesses under oath, including Fauci, FBI Director Wray, and Attorney General Garland, a lot has been revealed about the Democrat's "allegations" and the "alligators" in the past few months.

 

New stuff is coming out every day. Here's just a couple of recent reports:

 

WALL STREET JOURNAL

Merrick Garland Earned Congress’s Contempt

"The House voted to hold Attorney General Merrick Garland in contempt of Congress this week......"

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-republicans-merrick-garland-contempt-vote-joe-biden-robert-hur-audio-449d81cf?mod=opinion_lead_pos4

 

 

WALL STREET JOURNAL

Trump and the Lawfare Implosion of 2024

Will his prosecution end up putting him back in the White House?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lawfare-implosion-of-2024-donald-trump-indictments-election-87e99955

 

 

[trastrick]

Sorry about the blaring caps, I have no "preview " or "edit function"

[m williamson]

10 minutes ago, trastrick said:

 

You need to get up to date, if you wish to comment on current events. My polite way of saying get your head out of the sand, or your assets.

 

Your 3 year old links go back to the halcyon days when Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler held the reins of power in the U.S. Congress, were basking in the glow of the Russian Collusion/Pee  Tape hoaxes, and could lie with impunity, and have each lie resonate down the echo chamber of their friends in the MSM.

 

They have now been removed from the powerful positions they held, as the Republican Party was duly elected to be in charge of the U.S. Congress,  with a new speaker and control of the powerful Committees.

 

As a result, through Congressional Hearings, with witnesses under oath, including Fauci, FBI Director Wray, and Attorney General Garland, a lot has been revealed about the Democrat's "allegations" and the "alligators" in the past few months.

 

New stuff is coming out every day. Here's just a couple of recent reports:

 

WALL STREET JOURNAL

Merrick Garland Earned Congress’s Contempt

"The House voted to hold Attorney General Merrick Garland in contempt of Congress this week......"

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-republicans-merrick-garland-contempt-vote-joe-biden-robert-hur-audio-449d81cf?mod=opinion_lead_pos4

 

 

WALL STREET JOURNAL

Trump and the Lawfare Implosion of 2024

Will his prosecution end up putting him back in the White House?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lawfare-implosion-of-2024-donald-trump-indictments-election-87e99955

 

 

 

I'm unable to open those links fully. The subject of discussion was Nancy Pelosi, is there specific reference to Pelosi and proof of her culpability with regard to what happened during the attack on the Capitol Building in those reports?

 

Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House, she had no direct responsibility over the National Guard.  She did however request military help, including the National Guard.  She had to request it because it wasn't her call, she was not in control of them and therefore unable to either order them to stay away or order them to come to their assistance.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542

 

Perhaps you're the one that needs to remove his cranium from his nether regions?

[trastrick]

32 minutes ago, m williamson said:

 

I'm unable to open those links fully. The subject of discussion was Nancy Pelosi, is there specific reference to Pelosi and proof of her culpability with regard to what happened during the attack on the Capitol Building in those reports?

 

Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House, she had no direct responsibility over the National Guard.  She did however request military help, including the National Guard.  She had to request it because it wasn't her call, she was not in control of them and therefore unable to either order them to stay away or order them to come to their assistance.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542

 

Perhaps you're the one that needs to remove his cranium from his nether regions?

 

As I said, get up to date!

 

This from 4 days ago:

 

New York Post

"Nancy Pelosi says ‘I take responsibility’ for not having National Guard at the Capitol on Jan. 6 in video shot by her own daughter"

 

See story and video at:

 

https://nypost.com/2024/06/10/us-news/nancy-pelosi-says-i-take-responsibility-for-not-having-national-guard-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6-video-shows/

[m williamson]

5 minutes ago, trastrick said:

 

As I said, get up to date!

 

This from 4 days ago:

 

New York Post

"Nancy Pelosi says ‘I take responsibility’ for not having National Guard at the Capitol on Jan. 6 in video shot by her own daughter"

 

See story and video at:

 

https://nypost.com/2024/06/10/us-news/nancy-pelosi-says-i-take-responsibility-for-not-having-national-guard-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6-video-shows/

 

Try to accept facts and not twist them to suit your particular biase . Nancy Pelosi was not in charge of the National Guard, she had exactly the same amount of control as Mitch McConnell did on that day. Neither of them were in a position to issue orders, all they could do was request assistance from whoever was in charge.

 

Nancy Pelosi is doing what a lot of people do when a tragedy happens " Oh if only I'd done this, or said that.... things might have been different, " People died, others were injured and traumatised. Hindsight is of no use, but normal people tend to engage in it. 

Has Trump, the person who instigated the whole thing said anything about any regrets he has about what happened? He stirred things up and was the main cause of what took place, even McConnell, a long time supporter of Trump says so. He was urged to try to calm things down while it was going on but he sat there enjoying it instead.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/mcconnell-says-jan-6-capitol-attack-was-provoked-by-trump-and-others-in-power

 

Attempting to blame one of the victims of a crime for what happened instead of placing blame where it actually belongs is very much the type of thing that an immoral duplicitous shyster like Trump would do.

 

Congratulations, you are a true disciple, do you have a MAGA baseball cap? 

 

 

 

[altus]

29 minutes ago, trastrick said:

 

As I said, get up to date!

 

This from 4 days ago:

 

New York Post

"Nancy Pelosi says ‘I take responsibility’ for not having National Guard at the Capitol on Jan. 6 in video shot by her own daughter"

 

See story and video at:

 

https://nypost.com/2024/06/10/us-news/nancy-pelosi-says-i-take-responsibility-for-not-having-national-guard-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6-video-shows/

 

From your NYP article:

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“Numerous independent fact-checkers have confirmed that Speaker Pelosi did not plan her own assassination,” Aaron Bennett wrote on X. “Cherry-picked out-of-context clips don’t change that.”

 

Still, here's something from Politico's (NYP's source) take on the footage:

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In the days leading up to Jan. 6, Capitol security officials had initially expected street violence and skirmishes, not a concerted mob attack, so they did not seek preemptive support from the National Guard. But as the crowd swelled outside the building — fueled in part by Donald Trump’s promise to join his supporters — overwhelmed Capitol Police sought assistance from other police departments and the guard.

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But they saved their fiercest criticism for McCarthy, who they described as unresponsive to their outreach in the midst of the chaos. McCarthy and then-acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller have acknowledged in their interviews with the previous Jan. 6 committee that they had a miscommunication about the deployment. Two of the four also said that Trump could have expedited the process by cutting through the bureaucratic clutter and calling Pentagon leaders directly on Jan. 6, which by all accounts he didn’t do.

 

McCarthy is Trump appointed Secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy.