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[Guest]

So you admit that equality is a totally misconceived concept and that the various differences in our backgrounds determine that more than any socialist/feminist ideology can correct it

 

In a nutshell life isn't "fair". It will take a very authoritarian government dressed up as a "progressive" government to intervene to artificially "correct" things to make everything "fair".

Edited October 29, 2017 by Guest

[Guest makapaka]

im still waiting for examples of how the white, poor, unemployed male with no education is privileged.

 

No one has said anything that gives that person any tangible benefit- other than that someone struggling but of a different race/gender potentially struggles a bit more.

 

There’s no doubt white males sit at the top table - saying all white males are privileged is just daft.

 

“Listen Dave - I know your skint, can’t get a job, aren’t very well educated and have got zero prospects - but hey - imagine if you weren’t white - then where would you be?”

[Cyclone]

You've been given examples and further reading. I don't think we can help you anymore than that.

[Guest makapaka]

You've been given examples and further reading. I don't think we can help you anymore than that.

 

I’ve read it - I’m stilll asking for you to apply it to the case example.

 

You put a google link up by an American feminist which I’ve quoted above - are you going to give us some worked examples to this particular person or what?

 

And who is “we” and what help do I need?

[Cyclone]

So you admit that equality is a totally misconceived concept

No, this is your failure to understand that when we talk about attempting to achieve it within society is about equality of opportunity, not equality of status or outcome.

And to have an equal opportunity to achieve or succeed at some things, people from more disadvantaged groups need extra assistance.

 

and that the various differences in our backgrounds determine that more than any socialist/feminist ideology can correct it

 

I don't quite understand why you're lumping together socialism and feminism, perhaps it's just because they superficially appear to have similar aims of enabling equality of opportunity and recognising when groups are disadvantaged.

And no, I don't think that the inequality of opportunity is uncorrectable. I didn't suggest that, I didn't admit that, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't make up things that I haven't remotely said.

 

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I’ve read it - I’m stilll asking for you to apply it to the case example.

 

You put a google link up by an American feminist which I’ve quoted above - are you going to give us some worked examples to this particular person or what?

 

And who is “we” and what help do I need?

 

No, I'm not.

You can figure it out for yourself, I've done enough to help you. If you still don't get it then maybe buy a book or get one out of the library.

I'm fairly sure that anyone else following the thread can see the point, even if you (willfully) continue to not get it.

[Guest makapaka]

No, this is your failure to understand that when we talk about attempting to achieve it within society is about equality of opportunity, not equality of status or outcome.

And to have an equal opportunity to achieve or succeed at some things, people from more disadvantaged groups need extra assistance.

 

 

 

I don't quite understand why you're lumping together socialism and feminism, perhaps it's just because they superficially appear to have similar aims of enabling equality of opportunity and recognising when groups are disadvantaged.

And no, I don't think that the inequality of opportunity is uncorrectable. I didn't suggest that, I didn't admit that, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't make up things that I haven't remotely said.

 

Come on cyclone - no ones saying a good number of white men are privileged - why can’t you accept it doesn’t apply to all?

[Cyclone]

 

The point being - stop telling everyone they’re privileged when they aren’t.

 

Your assuming certain things are privilege which large swathes of people see no tangible benefit from - a large group of white people earn a lot of money - saying someone on their backside is more privileged because they are white is like comparing shoes on homeless people.

 

You continue to fail to understand what privilege is. Deliberately I suspect, given that it's now been explained multiple times in simple terms.

 

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Come on cyclone - no ones saying a good number of white men are privileged - why can’t you accept it doesn’t apply to all?

 

Because it does apply to all. Being a white male is advantageous, even if you're ill-educated and unemployed.

[Guest makapaka]

No, this is your failure to understand that when we talk about attempting to achieve it within society is about equality of opportunity, not equality of status or outcome.

And to have an equal opportunity to achieve or succeed at some things, people from more disadvantaged groups need extra assistance.

 

 

 

I don't quite understand why you're lumping together socialism and feminism, perhaps it's just because they superficially appear to have similar aims of enabling equality of opportunity and recognising when groups are disadvantaged.

And no, I don't think that the inequality of opportunity is uncorrectable. I didn't suggest that, I didn't admit that, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't make up things that I haven't remotely said.

 

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No, I'm not.

You can figure it out for yourself, I've done enough to help you. If you still don't get it then maybe buy a book or get one out of the library.

I'm fairly sure that anyone else following the thread can see the point, even if you (willfully) continue to not get it.

 

Don’t you always say you have to back up your argument? Even the mods say that.

 

Are you saying I’ve got to go and find a book to refute your arguments on a forum?

 

Just give us the examples?

 

What are the tangible privileges the case example is receiving?

[Cyclone]

I have backed it up. You're failing to understand what has been said.

[Guest]

I have backed it up. You're failing to understand what has been said.

 

Failing to agree, perhaps is a more fair thing to say.