Rowdy hen parties and very sensitive women

[Cyclone]

Perhaps he doesn't agree that they are examples of advantage, but he keeps claiming instead that I haven't given any.

Not agreeing that being male makes you less likely to suffer sexual assault and is an advantage would of course be a ridiculous position to take, but if that's what he needs to deny that male privilege exists.

[Guest makapaka]

I have backed it up. You're failing to understand what has been said.

 

Backed it up with that google example?

 

Just say it in words - ever so easy - tell us what that person is seeing in terms of tangible privilege.

 

You never know I may even agree with you. I don’t believe a blog by an American feminist suits this particular example so come on - just say.

 

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Perhaps he doesn't agree that they are examples of advantage, but he keeps claiming instead that I haven't given any.

Not agreeing that being male makes you less likely to suffer sexual assault and is an advantage would of course be a ridiculous position to take, but if that's what he needs to deny that male privilege exists.

 

I missed this one - I’m asking for specific examples in the instance we have been discussing.

 

Are we just telling Dave that at least he’s less likely to be sexually harassed - I would agree with that.

 

Don’t turn it round to me suggesting there are no examples - I know there are. We’re on about this specific example.

 

Is that all we’ve got to tell Dave about his white male privilege?

[Cyclone]

It's like you can't read.

 

LESS LIKELY TO BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED - Male advantage, privilege.

LESS LIKELY TO SUFFER RACIAL DISCRIMINATION - White advantage, privilege.

 

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You asked for an example for Dave, I've given you two.

Now, what, they're not good enough somehow? Now you expect me to provide a list of more advantages? Presumably in the hope of being able to argue that one of them isn't a real advantage? Or for what, why are you wasting my time?

[Guest makapaka]

It's like you can't read.

 

LESS LIKELY TO BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED - Male advantage, privilege.

LESS LIKELY TO SUFFER RACIAL DISCRIMINATION - White advantage, privilege.

 

Ok - so do you think face to face you could sit with Dave, whilst he tells you how he can’t get any work, hasn’t got an education, is poor and struggling in life - that he is privileged (ie having special rights and advantages) on that basis?

 

Or could you say there is racism and sexism in the world - but Dave - you are not privileged.

[Guest]

It's like you can't read.

 

LESS LIKELY TO BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED - Male advantage, privilege.

LESS LIKELY TO SUFFER RACIAL DISCRIMINATION - White advantage, privilege.

 

Having "white male privilege" thrown at me feels like I should feel bad in some way for being white and male. Is it my fault that I'm less likely to be sexually assaulted or suffer racial discrimination?

[Guest makapaka]

Having "white male privilege" thrown at me feels like I should feel bad in some way for being white and male. Is it my fault that I'm less likely to be sexually assaulted or suffer racial discrimination?

 

No it’s not but the other poster does have a point that you are less likely to suffer that.

 

But the point is they fail to acknowledge its tangible forms - saying you are privileged means you have special rights (you don’t) and also advantages - and advantages is very broad.

 

So it’s perfectly right to say that it’s an advantage to be less likely to be sexually harassed or racially abused - but it doesn’t make it a privilege.

 

It’s the fact that racism and sexism exist - and generalising using statistics that there is a white male privilege is wrong because it doesn’t impact all white male people in the way the term suggests.

 

Using that same argument you could say it’s a privilege to have a disabled parking space - it’s an advantage to be able to park by the front door - is that a privilege? No.

 

Privilege is about rights really - something you are entitled to.

 

White males aren’t entitled to anything - some racists and sexists offer opportunities to people undeservedly - but a lot of people don’t get those opportunities- so where is their privilege?

[Car Boot]

Because it does apply to all. Being a white male is advantageous, even if you're ill-educated and unemployed.

 

An unemployed white male, living on subsistence benefits with no formal qualifications, applied for a job with the British Transport Police (BTP). He'd read somewhere that they were looking for applicants from disadvantaged communities.

 

It was after he made his initial application that he discovered the BTP were running specialist workshops to help applicants prepare for the recruitment process - but the eligibility criteria for attendance meant it was only open to women, black people and those from minority ethnic groups.

 

This unemployed white male was excluded from the help with his application (that he so badly needed) specifically because of the colour of his skin, and his sex. Still, at least he could return home to his multi-story social housing flat in a deprived neighbourhood and congratulate himself on belonging to an advantageous group (that had brought him zero advantages in life).

 

Excluding people on the basis of their skin colour and sex is racist and sexist. Only extremists support such a non-inclusive policy.

[MidgetSaw]

Having "white male privilege" thrown at me feels like I should feel bad in some way for being white and male. Is it my fault that I'm less likely to be sexually assaulted or suffer racial discrimination?

 

But now we have 'positive discrimination' and 'two ticks'. The 'positive discrimination' means that the benchmark is lowered for non-white people, and 'two ticks' means if you're disabled, you're guaranteed an interview no matter how bad your application may be.

 

I know of an officer in our company who was appointed solely on ethnicity. No one who was interviewed was appointable, but he was given a job purely because his ethnicity was underrepresented.

 

Yep, white male privilege is alive and well!

[SnailyBoy]

But now we have 'positive discrimination' and 'two ticks'. The 'positive discrimination' means that the benchmark is lowered for non-white people, and 'two ticks' means if you're disabled, you're guaranteed an interview no matter how bad your application may be.

 

I know of an officer in our company who was appointed solely on ethnicity. No one who was interviewed was appointable, but he was given a job purely because his ethnicity was underrepresented.

 

Yep, white male privilege is alive and well!

 

Why do you think those measures were put in place?

[MidgetSaw]

Why do you think those measures were put in place?

 

So what you're say is, we should discriminate to beat discrimination?

 

If i need a brain surgeon, i want the best person for the job, not someone who got their because of their skin colour or the circumstances in to which they were born.