EU Brexit - £50 or 60 Billion?

[mrcharlie]

And Brexit will cost us billions a year. Lower growth than the rest of Europe ahead of Brexit is already costing us £25 billion a year. Get ready for South Yorkshire getting a lot poorer because of the idiocy of its voters 18 months ago.

 

TBH whilst I see what you're getting at, I do think this country as a whole, not just bloody London has stagnated dramatically in the past 20yrs.

Greed and personal consumption fuelled by cheap credit from devious bankers has done huge amounts of damage to the very core of our cities, towns and local communities. The public sector with its "special " rates, packages, pensions has created a nation of bloated dead wood. The whole country needs to be trimmed back and made fitter, leaner etc etc.

No room for the idle and the greedy we need to get off our lardy backsides and propel this country out there and embrace the new world, without EU bureaucrats meddling in our affairs and creaming the fat.

 

You are right the EU is not to blame, but while ever these successive governments that come into power and shift the blame to others and those outside the UK. we will continue to stagnate.

 

Enough is enough, yes, its going to be horrendous, but there will be no hiding place for anyone.

The British gravy train is about to be derailed

 

And I for one welcome the pain that is about to come.

Edited November 29, 2017 by mrcharlie

[Robin-H]

It was Thatcher that closed the mines.

 

It was the EU that destroyed our fishing industry.

 

The UK used to enjoy fishing areas that extended up to 200 miles from our coast. Under the terms we joined the EU, this distance was reduced to just 12 miles, costing us fishing sales that would now be worth £2 billion a year.

 

Well technically Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.. (211 mines closed 1965-70 vs 154 closed 1979-90)..

 

Anyway, back on topic.

[pss60]

Well technically Harold Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher.. (211 mines closed 1965-70 vs 154 closed 1979-90)..

 

Anyway, back on topic.

That was in an era of full employment and not mass unemployment, nor did Wilson spend billions trying to crush ordinary people by brute force. And Major finished off nearly all of what remained - again in a period of mass unemployment.

Edited November 29, 2017 by pss60

[altus]

I have read that the EU will keep generous fishing rights, as part of the deal.

 

The extra fish that the UK could catch post brexit are typically species that aren't eaten in the UK. Slower border transitions and associated costs since we won't be in the single market mean it won't be practical to export those fish via UK ports. That's why Grimsby wants a "Brexit exemption" for the fishing industry. Allowing the EU to keep fishing rights would certainly be a condition of such an exemption. If there were one of course - which is itself doubtful.

[phil752]

The EU won't suffer for that. It is Britain that is suffering and will continue to suffer. The rest of the EU is growing at 3% a year while the UK economy is growing at less than half that. The first down payment for Brexit would have electrified the Midland Mainline 60 times over. We know what has happened to that project, so get ready for cuts max, because people around here were too stupid to realise that Westminster is responsible for what is wrong and not Brussels. It wasn't Brussels who cancelled Midland Mainline electrification after spending five years shouting about it from the rooftops but Westminster. It wasn't Brussels who declared war on the mining communities but Westminster. Austerity here isn't imposed by Brussels but by Westminster, and there's lots more of it to come. There is a price to be paid for being a bunch of brainless poundshop Alf Garnetts and it will be paid in spades.

 

Your last sentence made me realise it not worth the keystrokes,to reply

 

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France has a Channel coast, an Atlantic coast and a Mediterranean coast as well as being on the European mainland. They are better positioned for global trade than the UK is.

 

But they have the same population as the UK, so the demand for goods may be the same.It would be daft to import into France, then land export into the UK, instead of direct to the UK by sea. If that is what you are saying.

[area 51]

The EU won't suffer for that. It is Britain that is suffering and will continue to suffer. The rest of the EU is growing at 3% a year while the UK economy is growing at less than half that. The first down payment for Brexit would have electrified the Midland Mainline 60 times over. We know what has happened to that project, so get ready for cuts max, because people around here were too stupid to realise that Westminster is responsible for what is wrong and not Brussels. It wasn't Brussels who cancelled Midland Mainline electrification after spending five years shouting about it from the rooftops but Westminster. It wasn't Brussels who declared war on the mining communities but Westminster. Austerity here isn't imposed by Brussels but by Westminster, and there's lots more of it to come. There is a price to be paid for being a bunch of brainless poundshop Alf Garnetts and it will be paid in spades.

Hello champagne socialist:wave:.Your last sentence gave you away.

[altus]

But they have the same population as the UK, so the demand for goods may be the same.It would be daft to import into France, then land export into the UK, instead of direct to the UK by sea. If that is what you are saying.

You seem to have written a reply that has nothing to do with my post just so you would have something to criticise.

 

mrcharlie said the UK being an island gave us a major advantage with global imports/exports. I was just pointing out that, for France at least, our location/being an island doesn't provide any such advantage.

[phil752]

You seem to have written a reply that has nothing to do with my post just so you would have something to criticise.

 

mrcharlie said the UK being an island gave us a major advantage with global imports/exports. I was just pointing out that, for France at least, our location/being an island doesn't provide any such advantage.

 

Sea import is about where good are going, whats hard about that to understand

[Anna B]

Did you now...I'd invite you to revisit page 2 of this old thread.

 

Or perhaps this one?

 

Maybe this exchange? How about that one?

 

<etc.>

 

Some of us have memories, still firing on all cylinders

 

Yet here you are, still spouting the same rethorical nonsense as newcomer Car Boot, a year on. There's just no helping people who won't help themselves.

 

Enjoy your Brexited life: you voted for it (notwithstanding whatever experts and others told you before the referendum), you're gonna get it, so get over it!

 

My my, you've gone to a lot of trouble to try and besmirch my integrity, and I think you've failed miserably.

All those exchanges say to me is that I was looking for information and some enlightenment. It's how I sort things out in my mind.

I think you, on the other hand, simply come across as rather rude.

[L00b]

But they have the same population as the UK, so the demand for goods may be the same.It would be daft to import into France, then land export into the UK, instead of direct to the UK by sea. If that is what you are saying.

France is nowhere near as addicted to cheap credit for fuelling consumerism as the UK. It's an important cultural difference.

 

And the export route you describe as 'daft', is exactly what the UK has been doing for years, but through the Netherlands, in particular from Rotterdam (where most containers land and exports are customs-processed, then road-shipped from there -taking advantage of freedom of movement- to the UK and others amongst the more western of the EU27). It's long been cheaper to bulk-freight to a single large sea port in the EU (from China & elsewhere -and there aren't many as well geared as Rotterdam for the purpose) and to 'parcel it all out' there, than to send UK-only smaller shipments.

Edited November 29, 2017 by L00b