Cyclone Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 95 square yards is <10 yards by 10 yards... That's really not a very big space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonk Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Ecclesall Wood covers 350 acres https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/visiting-woods/wood/?woodId=25254&woodName=ecclesall-wood so a third of that is 117 acres, so that would be 51 trees to an acre. One acre is 4840 square yards, so each tree would have about 95 square yards. Doesn't sound anything like the density of trees in woodlands. Yes it does....I had ecclesall woods down as 120 Hectares. If you plant 6000 trees across 40 hectares thats 150 trees per hectare or....about one tree every 8metres which is about right if you walk round ecclesall woods--in fact alot of it is much more open than that. OK so my estimate for ecclesall wood of 120 hectares is low...if it really is 350 acres thats 140 hectares....... Ill rework that then and say 28.57% of ecclesall woods. Tree planting density is well documented...the 1 tree per 95sqm equates to about the centre of every trunk about every nine paces (yards)---thats quite dense for a mature open woodland where trees have good canopy cover....its completely reasonable--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Tree planting density is well documented...the 1 tree per 95sqm equates to about the centre of every trunk about every nine paces (yards)---thats quite dense for a mature open woodland where trees have good canopy cover....its completely reasonable--- If tree palnting density is well documented a link or two would be useful. Googling tree planting density, both these give (a couple of the first results) give a planting density of 3m x 3m. http://www.woodlands.co.uk/blog/woodland-activities/tree-planting/# How densely should you plant? The minimum density for grant-aided planting is 3m x 3m (for broadleaf), but 2m x 2m is considered better by some as the canopy will close sooner and there are more trees from which to select at thinning stage. 3m x 3m means that the trees are planted in rows that are three metres apart and in each row the spacing is 3 metres between trees. https://www.nationalforest.org/document/creatingwoodland/create_farm.pdf ■ 3 m x 3 m This spacing is acceptable for small woods and in cases where the prime objective is to createoodland. This equates to 1,100 trees per hectare. (page 15 - tree spacing) ---------- Post added 18-12-2017 at 19:05 ---------- 95 square yards is <10 yards by 10 yards... That's really not a very big space. It's certainly a lot bigger than the space between the trees on the bank opposite our house - and they've been there long before we moved in nearly 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonk Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 If tree palnting density is well documented a link or two would be useful. Googling tree planting density, both these give (a couple of the first results) give a planting density of 3m x 3m. http://www.woodlands.co.uk/blog/woodland-activities/tree-planting/# How densely should you plant? The minimum density for grant-aided planting is 3m x 3m (for broadleaf), but 2m x 2m is considered better by some as the canopy will close sooner and there are more trees from which to select at thinning stage. 3m x 3m means that the trees are planted in rows that are three metres apart and in each row the spacing is 3 metres between trees. https://www.nationalforest.org/document/creatingwoodland/create_farm.pdf ■ 3 m x 3 m This spacing is acceptable for small woods and in cases where the prime objective is to createoodland. This equates to 1,100 trees per hectare. (page 15 - tree spacing) Two things here First these are planting rates-----you expect die off and thinning out over time to give a density of 1 every 5m but this is mainly for commercial timber production---forrestry NOT woodland. Save yourself time googling and worrying about the maths---go for a walk in Ecclesall woods with a tape measure--should sort things out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) Two things here First these are planting rates-----you expect die off and thinning out over time to give a density of 1 every 5m but this is mainly for commercial timber production---forrestry NOT woodland. You specifically said planting density - and the 3m x 3m talked about in the national forest document is "for small woods and in cases where the prime objective is to create accessible community woodland. This equates to 1,100 trees per hectare.". Accessible community woodland doesn't sound like commercial timber production to me. Are these trees in Ecclesall Wood really 10 yards apart? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3377009,-1.5152313,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXM4KVmTKHFt8PKzOzPIArQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en Edited December 18, 2017 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 It’s irrelevant anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonk Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 You specifically said planting density - and the 3m x 3m talked about in the national forest document is "for small woods and in cases where the prime objective is to create accessible community woodland. This equates to 1,100 trees per hectare.". Accessible community woodland doesn't sound like commercial timber production to me. Are these trees in Ecclesall Wood really 10 yards apart? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3377009,-1.5152313,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXM4KVmTKHFt8PKzOzPIArQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en That's planting density... Not what the woodland ends up like... Anyway, you're probably right.. Best chop em all down if it makes you happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) That's planting density... Not what the woodland ends up like... Anyway, you're probably right.. Best chop em all down if it makes you happy Who's saying chop them all down? Couple of more nice pics of Ecclesall Wood showing trees a lot less than 10 yards apart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesall_Woods#/media/File:Ecclesall_Woods_Sheffield_2.jpg https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g186364-d213516-i181592105-Ecclesall_Woods-Sheffield_South_Yorkshire_England.html Edited December 18, 2017 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hicksy3 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Quote: Originally Posted by tonk That's planting density... Not what the woodland ends up like... Anyway, you're probably right.. Best chop em all down if it makes you happy Who's saying chop them all down? Couple of more nice pics of Ecclesall Wood showing trees a lot less than 10 yards apart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccles...heffield_2.jpg https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Locati...e_England.html Not sure if you're being serious. If so, could someone explain averages please? Posted from Sheffieldforum.co.uk App for Android Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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