Council tree felling...

[Guest makapaka]

Clearly the people who put together the contract should be sacked (employee's of the council), and the ministers who signed it off (labour I believe).

You're not familiar with labour and it's constant attempts to discourage business through the denial of planning applications?

I don't know why they do, do you think I'm a mind reader? Perhaps it's some sort of socialist thing about dragging everyone down to the bottom where we'd all be happy taking the bus everywhere, renationalised ideally.

 

But if you meant why do I think they hate cars, well that would be the plethora of no left, no right, no entry, no cars, speed reductions, speed cameras, bus gates, bus lanes, enforcement on xmas day, and (until recently) 30 years of neglect of the roads. Oh, and parking schemes, where they lie about the response to surveys by taking no reply to mean in favour, a lot like the street trees, when they publish the numbers they pretty much lie about the number in favour.

 

Which business have they discouraged? did they discourage forgemasters?

 

You believe that the council is discouraging people from cars through traffic management? That would be an odd and expensive way to discourage people wouldn’t it.

 

And even if they were - what’s so bad about encouraging people out of their cars. That would benefit the environment far more than any impact of replacing ornamental street trees.

[metalman]

 

You believe that the council is discouraging people from cars through traffic management? That would be an odd and expensive way to discourage people wouldn’t it.

 

And even if they were - what’s so bad about encouraging people out of their cars. That would benefit the environment far more than any impact of replacing ornamental street trees.

 

Where have you been for the last n years? That's been the council's only traffic planning policy - make it as difficult as possible for anybody to go anywhere in a car (and to park when they get there) so they have to use the bus instead.

[Guest makapaka]

Where have you been for the last n years? That's been the council's only traffic planning policy - make it as difficult as possible for anybody to go anywhere in a car (and to park when they get there) so they have to use the bus instead.

 

Which places do you have difficulty getting to in a car?

 

Why is discouraging the use of cars a bad thing?

[Cyclone]

Given your second question, you seem to accept that the council do actually want to make life difficult for car drivers. You're just doing your typical technique of attempting to reframe and deflect. But you were the one who asked why I think that labour SCC hate cars...

As to where exactly, well, getting from one side of the city to the other gets more and more difficult. Roads are closed or made bus only, or have a lane dedicated to buses, turnings are closed to cars, speed limits are reduced, more traffic lights, which run out of sequence are added. You know all this though, you just find it difficult to admit because criticising labour causes you some kind of cognitive dissonance.

 

Re:planning, they fought Ikea for years and delayed the Sheffield store by about a decade.

 

Sheffield could miss out on nearly 2,000 new jobs because of the council's "anti-business" attitude, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has claimed.

 

Writing to council leader Julie Dore, he said her policies were "providing a barrier to new jobs and opportunities".

 

Mr Clegg highlighted the stalled Sevenstone project and "lukewarm reception" to IKEA's proposed move to the city as areas of concern.

 

They also tried to force Next into an inner city location and nearly drove them away entirely.

[Guest makapaka]

Given your second question, you seem to accept that the council do actually want to make life difficult for car drivers. You're just doing your typical technique of attempting to reframe and deflect. But you were the one who asked why I think that labour SCC hate cars...

As to where exactly, well, getting from one side of the city to the other gets more and more difficult. Roads are closed or made bus only, or have a lane dedicated to buses, turnings are closed to cars, speed limits are reduced, more traffic lights, which run out of sequence are added. You know all this though, you just find it difficult to admit because criticising labour causes you some kind of cognitive dissonance.

 

Re:planning, they fought Ikea for years and delayed the Sheffield store by about a decade.

 

 

 

They also tried to force Next into an inner city location and nearly drove them away entirely.

 

I’m not reframing and directing anything. I just asked a question.

 

I don’t see anything different in Sheffield that you don’t see in any other big city re traffic management. What specific areas do you have difficulties with which are purely due to this supposed council strategy?

 

You will find plenty of threads bemoaning the retail offering in the town centre - is it bad that attempts were made to improve it? We still have a next and ikea by the way.

 

I’m not suggesting there’s been no bad decisions but the idea that it’s consistent is not true - you’re willing to vote Lib Dem despite their failure to back forgemasters.

 

I know you want to paint me a certain way to get your point of view across....

[Cyclone]

A question that happens to distract from the assertion and/or attempt to reframe it so that being anti-car isn't a bad thing.

 

Forgemasters - are you deliberately confusing local and national politics again?

 

I don't "want" to paint you anyway, you've painted yourself. You bend over backwards to justify or excuse the behaviour of the labour council, and have stated that despite it's flagrant disregard for the voters wishes, despite it's years of mismanagement, despite it's anti business and anti car stance, you'll still vote for them. You are the example that would vote for an ass with a red rosette stuck on it.

Edited April 2, 2018 by Cyclone

[Guest makapaka]

A question that happens to distract from the assertion and/or attempt to reframe it so that being anti-car isn't a bad thing.

 

Forgemasters - are you deliberately confusing local and national politics again?

 

I don't "want" to paint you anyway, you've painted yourself. You bend over backwards to justify or excuse the behaviour of the labour council, and have stated that despite it's flagrant disregard for the voters wishes, despite it's years of mismanagement, despite it's anti business and anti car stance, you'll still vote for them. You are the example that would vote for an ass with a red rosette stuck on it.

 

You can’t say local government is anti car without explaining why that’s a bad thing.

 

I’m not confusing local and national politics - you’re talking about party politics - if you think they aren’t connected at local and national level then that’s very naive.

 

You describe me as someone who would vote for a donkey in a red rosette - if that’s not trying to paint someone a certain way I don’t know what is.

[Cyclone]

I certainly can, and I did. If you're going to pretend that it's not a bad thing then no amount of rational argument will alter that pretence.

I describe you as I see you. I don't have to paint you in anyway, you've painted yourself red already.

[Guest makapaka]

I certainly can, and I did. If you're going to pretend that it's not a bad thing then no amount of rational argument will alter that pretence.

I describe you as I see you. I don't have to paint you in anyway, you've painted yourself red already.

 

Can you explain to me why reducing the use of cars is a bad thing then please - you’ve yet to do so.

 

What is the rational argument for encouraging the use of cars?

[Cyclone]

Firstly, actively being anti-car is not merely the absence of encouraging car use, so a false dichotomy.

Secondly, no, we all know the answer, so I'm not going to play.

I am glad that you've accepted labour as being anti car though.