Council tree felling...

[Phanerothyme]

Can't remember the last time I had junk mail in a plain brown envelope - junk mail envelopes are always covered in ads, logos etc

 

Get real, you know as well as I do that "consultation exercises" are, and have always been, a sham.

 

“But the plans were on display…”

“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”

“That’s the display department.”

“With a flashlight.”

“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”

“So had the stairs.”

“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”

“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

[hackey lad]

So how come so few didn’t vote in favour?

 

In favour of what ?

[dave_the_m]

So how come so few didn’t vote in favour?

 

Well technically speaking you'd have to ask them. However, when presented with a survey which seemed a fait accompli, I would guess that most people didn't see the point in voting, in a similar way that most people don't vote in local elections because they think the incumbents will get in anyway.

[Guest makapaka]

Well technically speaking you'd have to ask them. However, when presented with a survey which seemed a fait accompli, I would guess that most people didn't see the point in voting, in a similar way that most people don't vote in local elections because they think the incumbents will get in anyway.

 

So based on yours and cyclones posts - on sheldon road - 83% of the households either didn’t read the letter - or read it and decided not to bother doing anything about it.

 

And that reinforces the fact that a silent majority was against the felling?

 

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Here’s another example

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/content/dam/sheffield/docs/roads-and-pavements/managingtrees/Managing%20Trees%20Doc5%20Phase%203%20Streets%20Tree%20Survey%20Results.pdf

 

 

986 households

57 approve

27 disapprove

902 didn’t respond

 

Approval?

Disapproval?

Or apathy?

Edited September 17, 2018 by makapaka

[hackey lad]

So based on yours and cyclones posts - on sheldon road - 83% of the households either didn’t read the letter - or read it and decided not to bother doing anything about it.

 

And that reinforces the fact that a silent majority was against the felling?

 

Using facts that You posted , more people were against the tree felling , than for it . What else do you need to know ? Stop trying to twist facts

 

---------- Post added 17-09-2018 at 23:50 ----------

 

So based on yours and cyclones posts - on sheldon road - 83% of the households either didn’t read the letter - or read it and decided not to bother doing anything about it.

 

And that reinforces the fact that a silent majority was against the felling?

 

---------- Post added 17-09-2018 at 23:45 ----------

 

Here’s another example

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/content/dam/sheffield/docs/roads-and-pavements/managingtrees/Managing%20Trees%20Doc5%20Phase%203%20Streets%20Tree%20Survey%20Results.pdf

 

 

986 households

57 approve

27 disapprove

902 didn’t respond

 

Approval?

Disapproval?

Or apathy?

 

Approve , obviously

[Guest makapaka]

Using facts that You posted , more people were against the tree felling , than for it . What else do you need to know ? Stop trying to twist facts

 

Ok well what about the post above - more were for felling than against.

 

But the massive majority didn’t bother to respond.

 

I’ve never argued more are for - ive only argues the majority weren’t really bothered - so it is probably wrong to say that the “silent majority” is against tree felling.

 

I’m not twisting anything - im not “for” felling myself. I’m posting statistics and you can form your own view.

[hackey lad]

Ok well what about the post above - more were for felling than against.

 

But the massive majority didn’t bother to respond.

 

I’ve never argued more are for - ive only argues the majority weren’t really bothered - so it is probably wrong to say that the “silent majority” is against tree felling.

 

I’m not twisting anything - im not “for” felling myself. I’m posting statistics and you can form your own view.

 

I replied to that post . I have formed my own view from statistics provided by you . Then you argue the majority weren't bothered , how do you come to that view . Lets just go with the statistics

[Guest makapaka]

I replied to that post . I have formed my own view from statistics provided by you . Then you argue the majority weren't bothered , how do you come to that view . Lets just go with the statistics

 

Because don't you think they would have voted for or against if they were bothered?

 

Cyclone earlier said the silent majority was against tree removal - there's no evidence to suggest that - nor is there that the silent majority were for.

 

There's no point having a dig at me - why do you think 83% of people on Sheldon Road didn't bother to respond? Or the 91% at Walkley Bank who didn't bother to respond either?

 

Saying not bothered doesn't mean for - I'm just saying in my view the majority of people were indifferent / apathetic / disinterested in the issue.

 

As I said earlier - if you only had a 10% turnout for something like a local election - you would definitely say there was voter apathy - and most people wouldn't disagree.

Edited September 18, 2018 by makapaka

[Cyclone]

I actually said that in direct response to someone claiming the opposite and I noted at the time that it was anecdotal.

I didn't see you arguing against the poster claiming that the silent majority were actually in favour of trees being removed...

[Mr Bloke]

Because don't you think they would have voted for or against if they were bothered?

 

Cyclone earlier said the silent majority was against tree removal - there's no evidence to suggest that - nor is there that the silent majority were for.

 

There's no point having a dig at me - why do you think 83% of people on Sheldon Road didn't bother to respond? Or the 91% at Walkley Bank who didn't bother to respond either?

 

Saying not bothered doesn't mean for - I'm just saying in my view the majority of people were indifferent / apathetic / disinterested in the issue.

 

As I said earlier - if you only had a 10% turnout for something like a local election - you would definitely say there was voter apathy - and most people wouldn't disagree.

Hmmm...

 

... maybe the people who were 'not bothered' foolishly trusted the council to do the 'right thing' and only remove those trees that really needed to be removed on safety grounds, and never considered the fact that they might lose their healthy trees purely for financial reasons?

 

Maybe there should be a second vote now that all the implications are known... it seems to be the thing to do these days if you don't get the result you want first time.