Bob Arctor Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Councillors and council employees are public servants. Some Sheffield councillors and council officers have interpreted public service as "lying to the public to protect the financial interests of a private company". Anyone complicit in that clearly needs to be barred from office/sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 On 11/02/2019 at 23:41, makapaka said: No - the council could have been wrong - it doesn’t mean the police acted on that. Youre assuming that the police didn’t act independently of the council. i hope they didn’t. A few pages ago you were arguing specifically that the police DID act independently and that the council were not involved (despite all the evidence to the contrary). Which happens to mean that the council aren't to blame (despite all the evidence to the contrary). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Bob Arctor said: Councillors and council employees are public servants. Some Sheffield councillors and council officers have interpreted public service as "lying to the public to protect the financial interests of a private company". Anyone complicit in that clearly needs to be barred from office/sacked Prosecuted even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Cyclone said: A few pages ago you were arguing specifically that the police DID act independently and that the council were not involved (despite all the evidence to the contrary). Which happens to mean that the council aren't to blame (despite all the evidence to the contrary). Yes that’s still what I’m arguing you either haven’t read or understood my post correctly. i didn’t say the council weren’t involved - i said I didn’t think the police acted on their direction - and that they acted independently. Do you believe the police worked at the behest of the council and arrested people on their instruction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Bob Arctor said: Councillors and council employees are public servants. Some Sheffield councillors and council officers have interpreted public service as "lying to the public to protect the financial interests of a private company". Anyone complicit in that clearly needs to be barred from office/sacked 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Worth clicking for the picture of the dog! Sheffield council says sorry for misleading residents over tree felling https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/12/sheffield-apologises-for-misleading-tree-felling-programme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, makapaka said: Yes that’s still what I’m arguing you either haven’t read or understood my post correctly. i didn’t say the council weren’t involved - i said I didn’t think the police acted on their direction - and that they acted independently. Do you believe the police worked at the behest of the council and arrested people on their instruction? So you ARE defending the council, despite claiming you weren't, and despite there now having admitted to misleading people. And yes, the council specifically requested the presence of the police and asked them to make arrests under inappropriate legislation. The police didn't dream that up on their own. Edited February 13, 2019 by Cyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cyclone said: So you ARE defending the council, despite claiming you weren't, and despite there now having admitted to misleading people. And yes, the council specifically requested the presence of the police and asked them to make arrests under inappropriate legislation. The police didn't dream that up on their own. I've just started on this thread and I am 100% against the tree felling and think the council are a disgrace and also have little faith in SYP. Also just from scanning the last 2-3 pages, it looks like you've got a vendetta going against that poster, and are ignoring what they are saying. Maybe take a step back and try get what they are saying rather than assuming they are the devil incarnate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I'm just trying to clarify if they are defending the council. They claim that they aren't whilst in the same breath saying that it isn't the councils fault... I have no vendetta, I am calling out a 200 page long pattern of defending the council and Amey at every step though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil-minx92 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 "A Sheffield council spokesperson said: “We will undertake the agreed actions (to apologise for lying) within the timescales outlined in the ombudsman report and consider whether any lessons can be learnt as a result.” Consider whether any lessons can be learnt! Its fairly obvious that the lesson SCC need to learn is not to purposefully lie to the people of Sheffield! 😄 Somebody either made the decision to lie, gave the order to lie or sanctioned it. That person should be sacked for bringing the council into serious disrepute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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