Council tree felling...

[Annie Bynnol]

   After the damage and injury caused today by a 'protected' tree on private land today it is necessary to re evaluate the effect of Green policies on our safety. As a direct result of the protests and publicity there will be more trees that pose a threat.

[The_DADDY]

2 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

   After the damage and injury caused today by a 'protected' tree on private land today it is necessary to re evaluate the effect of Green policies on our safety. As a direct result of the protests and publicity there will be more trees that pose a threat.

Any tree that poses a real threat to public safety should be removed. Not to do so is negligent in my opinion.

[HeHasRisen]

15 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Any tree that poses a real threat to public safety should be removed. Not to do so is negligent in my opinion.

But but but house prices! Rustlings Road! Hippies!

[Annie Bynnol]

46 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Any tree that poses a real threat to public safety should be removed. Not to do so is negligent in my opinion.

      Agree. This tree was in a designate tree protection zone on private land, unlike Rustlings Road which were council owned and insured roadside trees. These trees are enormous and well past their chop down date.

[The_DADDY]

20 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

      Agree. This tree was in a designate tree protection zone on private land, unlike Rustlings Road which were council owned and insured roadside trees. These trees are enormous and well past their chop down date.

I didnt know those details so thanks for that 👍

I agree entirely with a tree protection zone as most people probably would but still, if they are very big and really need to come down then that must trump any protection order. 

[Victor Meldrew]

Any news on how the injured man is doing?

[sheffbag]

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-03/sheffield_street_trees_inquiry_report.pdf

bumped following the report yesterday. 
Damming would not come close . 
some extracts

”Neither the Council nor Amey expected the tree replacement programme to attract the opposition it did. The risk assessments done on this issue before the contract was signed were inadequate. ”

”Others referred to the bunker mentality that developed in the Council, describing a culture that was unreceptive to external views, discouraging of internal dissent and prone to group-think.”

“The Council relied heavily, between 2016 and 2018 on the claim that it was tied down by the contract and that amending it would be disproportionately expensive. One argument they made was that the amendment process itself was expensive. That does not hold water: the contract was amended several times, including
in 2016. A different argument was that the cost of saving more trees was too high. There were two sorts of costs. First, the immediate financial costs of a different engineering solution. In some cases (e.g. leaving a
gap between kerb stones) that could have been negligible or negative (because the cost of tree replacement would have been avoided). The second sort of costs related to the possibility of higher future highway maintenance expenditure as a result of accepting a lower engineering standard for a small section of road or pavement to allow a tree to be retained. Those costs were, by definition, speculative and years into the future. The Council claimed to be worried that all additional costs would fall to them. In fact, they had leverage with Amey and could have negotiated. (The contract stipulated that protest risk lay with Amey.) By early 2018, Amey were proactively offering to meet additional costs arising from saving more trees themselves. So if cost concerns alone cannot account for the Council’s behaviour, what does? The Inquiry’s view is that the Council was significantly motivated simply by the determination to have its way.” 
“By early 2018, the Council had united almost everyone against them: it was hard to find any influential outsider willing to defend what they were doing”

“Developing and then adopting a flawed plan was a failure of strategic leadership. Responsibility for that rests primarily with senior Council officers and senior politicians in the administrations of the governing groups between 2008 and 2012.”

” The Council did not, between 2016 and early 2018, adequately consider whether its strategy of facing down the campaigners would work. Nor did it adequately consider whether the increasingly drastic action it was taking, and was seeking from both Amey and the police, was wise. It stretched the proportionate use of its authority beyond reasonable limits.”
“The Council’s behaviour amounted to a serious and sustained failure of strategic leadership. Responsibility for that ultimately rests with the political leadership – in particular, the relevant cabinet member and the Council Leader: they were responsible for setting the direction and tone.”

 

so a major project was poorly planned, risk analysed and pushed through despite opposition from the public and evidence from experts and lied to the public about the reasons for continuing.

 

sound familiar to something happening now?

 

doesn’t look like lessons have been learned and Terry Fox still believes he’s the best man for the job

 

Tobys show will be interesting today when he comes on

 

 

[bassett one]

mistake after mistake by labour and they the public still vote them in unbelievable

[lil-minx92]

I wondered when somebody was going to post on this thread! 
A damning report indeed on the Labour council.  
Toby was  very easy on Terry Fox who repeatedly tried to distance himself from any responsibility despite being the Cabinet Member for a period during the saga ‘responsible for setting the direction and tone’ .  
 

[sheffbag]

"we are different from 5 years ago, we're different from 2 years ago"

 

yet if you look at the conclusions from the report about poor planning, bad risk analysis, not accurate budgets, pushing through agendas, not learnign lessons. been beligarant. lying to the public and then look at 

 

Fargate containers - over budget, poorly planne,d pushed through

CAZ - lying to the public, poorly planned

 

Its not different at all but the only alternative in Sheffield is the Lib Dems becuase god help the council if the greens got in fully