What is equality to you?

[leviathan13]

2 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

I've checked the hivemind and we've come up with 'Equality - the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities.'

 

That seems fair enough, doesn't it?

 

Something we should aspire to for everyone, especially those minorities who don't appear to have it already.

 

What do you define as fair? Should women be equal in the boardroom, but not in the manual labour department?

 

99% of manual labourers are men, yet women only seem to be fighting for 'equality' in positions of power and wealth.

 

Is that 'equality'? Why aren't we pushing for women to be more equally represented in the more dangerous jobs?

[SnailyBoy]

Just now, WiseOwl182 said:

What about for a white male whose only reason for not getting the job was for being a white male? Is that equality?

You've accepted that ethnic minorities are discriminated against, yet you fail to acknowledge the obvious disadvantage that comes from discrimination and go straight to some whataboutism.

 

Is that the best you can do to justify your position?

2 minutes ago, leviathan13 said:

What do you define as fair? Should women be equal in the boardroom, but not in the manual labour department?

 

99% of manual labourers are men, yet women only seem to be fighting for 'equality' in positions of power and wealth.

 

Is that 'equality'? Why aren't we pushing for women to be more equally represented in the more dangerous jobs?

Such as women in the Special Forces?

 

https://news.sky.com/story/women-to-be-allowed-to-join-uk-special-forces-11535246

[leviathan13]

2 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

You've accepted that ethnic minorities are discriminated against, yet you fail to acknowledge the obvious disadvantage that comes from discrimination and go straight to some whataboutism.

 

Is that the best you can do to justify your position?

If Serena Williams played Roger Federer, would Serena be disadvantaged?

[SnailyBoy]

1 minute ago, leviathan13 said:

If Serena Williams played Roger Federer, would Serena be disadvantaged?

Is that the best you can do to justify your position?

[leviathan13]

1 minute ago, SnailyBoy said:

Is that the best you can do to justify your position?

Yet, you have't answered such a simple, childish question.

 

Who is more foolish - the fool, or the fool who follows him?

 

The fact that you cannot offer an answer to a simple question destroys, in my mind, the idea of equality.

 

There can be no such thing because each individual on this planet is different.

[danot]

1 minute ago, woodview said:

Your example wasn't irrelevant. People do discriminate on all sorts of factors.

Trying to ensure equality of opportunity for everybody is the way forward, not some skewed social engineering.

Precisely. Putting the interest's of minorities foremost to counteract discriminatory inequalities is reverse discrimination, not equality.  

[SnailyBoy]

1 minute ago, leviathan13 said:

Yet, you have't answered such a simple, childish question.

 

Who is more foolish - the fool, or the fool who follows him?

 

The fact that you cannot offer an answer to a simple question destroys, in my mind, the idea of equality.

 

There can be no such thing because each individual on this planet is different.

What a bizarre post.

 

Did you just cut and paste random search results?

[WiseOwl182]

16 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

You've accepted that ethnic minorities are discriminated against, yet you fail to acknowledge the obvious disadvantage that comes from discrimination and go straight to some whataboutism.

 

 

Why not just answer the question. Especially in light of your earlier claim that giving the (perceived) disadvantaged a leg up does not disadvantage the majority. 

 

If a white male loses out on a job purely for being a white male, is that equality?

[leviathan13]

Just now, SnailyBoy said:

What a bizarre post.

 

Did you just cut and paste random search results?

Why is it bizarre?

 

I've asked you a question that you have failed to answer and I can only attribute it to the fact you don't want to betray the hivemind.

 

You don't know what equality is and, rather than admit to it, you skirt around an answer.

 

Look - it's fine to not know because i don't either. Equality is simply an ideology; a vision of an unachievable utopia. Races/cultures are different; sexes/genders are different; classes are different.

 

As humans, we cannot have equality because humans are not equal. We have diferent styles of learning; we have different levels of understanding; we have different levels of interacting with the world. And that's before we even get on to sex/gender/colour/background/race/class etc.

 

Humans will never be equal, and that's OK. If everyone was a leader, no one would do the manual stuff. If there were no telephone sanitisers, people would die from dirty telephones...

[SnailyBoy]

8 hours ago, woodview said:

Discriminating against one person to counteract the discrimination against another. That's two wrongs 

That would be illegal.

 

Positive action is legal.

 

' Positive action is when an employer takes steps to help or encourage certain groups of people with different needs, or who are disadvantaged in some way, access work or training. Positive action is lawful under the Equality Act.'

 

What's wrong with that?