What is equality to you?

[danot]

8 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

That's not a fact and driving tests have nothing to do with Positive Action.

 

 

National pass rate figures don't lie.

 

Are you sure you know the meaning of positive action?  It's the implimentation of any of a wide range of measures designed to minimise disadvantage, or meet the needs of a disadvantaged group. It isn t restricted to the work place if that's what you're suggesting.

[SnailyBoy]

18 minutes ago, danot said:

National pass rate figures don't lie.

 

Are you sure you know the meaning of positive action?  It's the implimentation of any of a wide range of measures designed to minimise disadvantage, or meet the needs of a disadvantaged group. It isn t restricted to the work place if that's what you're suggesting.

*which doesn't include driving tests

[danot]

6 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

*which doesn't include driving tests

 What doesn't include driving tests?

[SnailyBoy]

1 minute ago, danot said:

 What doesn't include driving tests?

Positive Action

[WiseOwl182]

9 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Two equal candidates.  You have to decide between them somehow and your organisation through unconscious bias has an under representation of a particular demographic.

Should you flip a coin?  Or decide to hire the person from the previously under represented group?  Flipping a coin will disadvantage someone, because only 1 of the 2 is getting the job.

 

Yes flip a coin. At least that way someone loses out due to random luck rather than discrimination against their skin colour or gender.

 

9 hours ago, Cyclone said:

 

How can someone answer a question about a hypothetical situation you've made up?  

Because it wasn't my hypothetical question, it was your mate SnailyBoy's. He was trying to get me to answer a hypothetical question without filling in any details for me to inform my answer. You shot yourself in the foot there.

 

7 hours ago, leviathan13 said:

Yet more evidence of white privilege!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47468011

 

There's even inequality and racism within the black community!

Some people are simply obsessed with skin colour. I was miffed that Will Smith was given the part of Aladdin and blued himself up, denying a real blue skinned actor the part. I thought that was being picky but this is another level.

 

[Car Boot]

Equality to the out of touch BBC means 'no men'.

 

Just ask BBC Newcastle regional radio.

[Cyclone]

2 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Yes flip a coin. At least that way someone loses out due to random luck rather than discrimination against their skin colour or gender.

 

Because it wasn't my hypothetical question, it was your mate SnailyBoy's. He was trying to get me to answer a hypothetical question without filling in any details for me to inform my answer. You shot yourself in the foot there.

 

Some people are simply obsessed with skin colour. I was miffed that Will Smith was given the part of Aladdin and blued himself up, denying a real blue skinned actor the part. I thought that was being picky but this is another level.

 

Of course what actually happens when positive action isn't a policy is that the unconscious bias is applied and someone does lose out due to skin colour, gender or orientation.  Which is exactly why positive action exists.

[Cyclone]

4 hours ago, danot said:

National pass rate figures don't lie.

 

Are you sure you know the meaning of positive action?  It's the implimentation of any of a wide range of measures designed to minimise disadvantage, or meet the needs of a disadvantaged group. It isn t restricted to the work place if that's what you're suggesting.

It is specifically aimed at the workplace, according to the government.

 

Positive action is one of the Government’s range of measures aimed at ending discrimination in the workplace under the Equality Act 2010. It can be used in two areas: “encouragement and training” (since October 2010) and “recruitment and promotion” (from April 2011).

 

2 hours ago, Car Boot said:

Equality to the out of touch BBC means 'no men'.

 

Just ask BBC Newcastle regional radio.

Despite your single anecdotal data point, the BBC is like most organisations more friendly towards men than towards women.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43610374

[WiseOwl182]

22 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

Of course what actually happens when positive action isn't a policy is that the unconscious bias is applied and someone does lose out due to skin colour, gender or orientation.  Which is exactly why positive action exists.

But someone still loses out due to skin colour, gender or orientation. Which is exactly why "positive action" is a politically correct euphemism for "discrimination".

[Guest makapaka]

11 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

But someone still loses out due to skin colour, gender or orientation. Which is exactly why "positive action" is a politically correct euphemism for "discrimination".

Not as a whole though?

 

youre reducing it to a individual circumstance of a certain person (let’s say black female) being favoured over another (let’s say white male)  and not acknowledging that across a much larger base the black female attracts a bias which is why they’re under represented.

 

the individual white male may not get the job but there will still likely be more opportunities for them which might not be the case in the reverse.