What is equality to you?

[Guest makapaka]

12 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

As a consequence of "positive action", what happens to the unlucky ones who lose out? Collateral damage? What is the reason they lost out? Discrimination.

 

Discrimination: "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex."

Can you explain why it is unjust or prejudicial to try and correct inequality borne out of unjust or prejudicial treatment?

[leviathan13]

6 minutes ago, makapaka said:

Can you explain why it is unjust or prejudicial to try and correct inequality borne out of unjust or prejudicial treatment?

Because, in a nutshell, it's using discrimination to try and cure discrimination. No matter how it's dressed-up; labelled; packaged etc. - people are being given an advantage based purely on the colour of their skin or their sex/gender. This is called 'discrimination'.

[SnailyBoy]

10 minutes ago, leviathan13 said:

Because, in a nutshell, it's using discrimination to try and cure discrimination. No matter how it's dressed-up; labelled; packaged etc. - people are being given an advantage based purely on the colour of their skin or their sex/gender. This is called 'discrimination'.

The majority group has been given £10

 

The minority group has been given £5

 

The minority group is given an additional £5 to make things equal with the majority group.

 

How is that an advantage for the minority group and discrimination against the majority group?

Edited March 11, 2019 by SnailyBoy

[Halibut]

1 minute ago, SnailyBoy said:

The majority group have been given £10

 

The minority group has been given £5

 

The minority group is given an additional £5 to make things equal with the majority group.

 

How is that an advantage for the minority group and discrimination against the majority group?

Awaits reply with interest...

[willman]

27 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

The majority group has been given £10

 

The minority group has been given £5

 

The minority group is given an additional £5 to make things equal with the majority group.

 

How is that an advantage for the minority group and discrimination against the majority group?

The issue is why was only the majority given £10 in the first place.

[woodview]

1 hour ago, SnailyBoy said:

The majority group has been given £10

 

The minority group has been given £5

 

The minority group is given an additional £5 to make things equal with the majority group.

 

How is that an advantage for the minority group and discrimination against the majority group?

Utter prejudice.

Assumes all the majority group and all the minority group are different to each other, and each group has the same characteristics.

So, in the next promotion at the council, the Indian guy who's dad is a doctor and mum is a lawyer gets promoted, over the white guy who's parents are from a council house on Manor and he hauled himself through the education system .

You either support racism and sexism or you denounce it.

 

[SnailyBoy]

2 minutes ago, woodview said:

Utter prejudice.

Assumes all the majority group and all the minority group are different to each other, and each group has the same characteristics.

So, in the next promotion at the council, the Indian guy who's dad is a doctor and mum is a lawyer gets promoted, over the white guy who's parents are from a council house on Manor and he hauled himself through the education system .

You either support racism and sexism or you denounce it.

 

You could simply answer the question .

 

Here it is again (you'll note there are no assumptions as to the make up of the groups)

 

The majority group has been given £10

 

The minority group has been given £5

 

The minority group is given an additional £5 to make things equal with the majority group.

 

How is that an advantage for the minority group and discrimination against the majority group?

Edited March 11, 2019 by SnailyBoy

[leviathan13]

1 hour ago, SnailyBoy said:

The majority group has been given £10

 

The minority group has been given £5

 

The minority group is given an additional £5 to make things equal with the majority group.

 

How is that an advantage for the minority group and discrimination against the majority group?

What if majority group A are earning less than group B? You've just made the rich richer...

 

My spin on this was that both groups can claim benefits, but group A are earning less so require more benefits to bring them up to the earnings of B.

 

But, to be 'equal', you've now given group B more cash, even though you'd already made it fair by giving A more money.

Edited March 11, 2019 by leviathan13

[SnailyBoy]

Just now, leviathan13 said:

What if majority group A are earning less than group B? You've just made the rich richer...

Come on, it's a simple question, so quit the whataboutism. (PS. The conflict you're feeling is cognitive dissonance)

 

Here it is again

 

The majority group has been given £10

 

The minority group has been given £5

 

The minority group is given an additional £5 to make things equal with the majority group.

 

How is that an advantage for the minority group and discrimination against the majority group?

 

 

[woodview]

34 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

You could simply answer the question .

 

Here it is again (you'll note there are no assumptions as to the make up of the groups)

 

The majority group has been given £10

 

The minority group has been given £5

 

The minority group is given an additional £5 to make things equal with the majority group.

 

How is that an advantage for the minority group and discrimination against the majority group?

It's not relevant to the discussion. Its based on false assumptions. Of course its meant to mean white men have been given the £10 all the other collective of undertrodden have been given £5.

It's so riddled with assumption and prejudice it's unbelievable.

The indian daughter of a doctor isnt the one with £5 she's got £10. The white son of a labourer is the one with £5.

Lumping racial or gender groups based on average is ridiculous. You will quickly scream against it if there is a slightest hint of it in stop and search.

Treating all people equally is what equality is about. Nothing else.