El Cid Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 Back to basics. 'Human Rights' are nonsense in the context of the UK and all common-law jurisdictions. Standing for election and voting is a human right; but because AI work for my local authority, I cannot stand for election. The rules will be changed, within a decade, I believe. Our rules will be the same as Scotlands, where I could stand, even if I worked for the local authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) Carpenters, floor layers, electricians and plumbers etc rely on a mobile to order needed materials for specific tasks to keep the work flowing. Keepmoat use mobiles to communicate with the above when on jobs as well. Unless its written in the terms of employment then it does not apply to all employees as its not a statutory law, but that is in response to lotticass. No mobiles on a building site,materials are already there for subbies,as for keepmoat on building repairs,its not a big site. Elf and safety is used regarding phones and sites are as strict about it as wearing a hard hat.Virtually everyone on site is subbing so no written terms of employment.Anyone working for me on site has to leave phones in the cab and its strange how the younger blokes grab for to check it at every breaktime. Edited January 18, 2018 by lottiecass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 No mobiles on a building site, You mean no mobiles are allowed on the building site you are on. As far as I'm aware there are no H&S rules actually banning them on building sites. There is guidance though regarding their use when using vehicles and heavy machinery on sites as stated. Its the site manager that has to put forward rules on their use on the site and make sure workers are aware of them. An accident due to no adherence to those rules can then lead to a prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Standing for election and voting is a human right; but because AI work for my local authority, I cannot stand for election. The rules will be changed, within a decade, I believe. Our rules will be the same as Scotlands, where I could stand, even if I worked for the local authority. Theres nothing to stop you from resigning your post first. Which is a bit crappy admittedly. Theres nothing to stop you from standing in a seperate LA though as I recall - so if you were paid by Wakefield you could stand in Leeds or Barnsley. Frankly I always thought it was a bit of a daft rule as whats advnatage could say a caretaker get or a driver? It's very old fashioned really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Theres nothing to stop you from standing in a seperate LA though as I recall - so if you were paid by Wakefield you could stand in Leeds or Barnsley. Frankly I always thought it was a bit of a daft rule as whats advnatage could say a caretaker get or a driver? It's very old fashioned really. You need a connection to an area, like working or owning or renting property, which I don't have in another area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Back to basics. 'Human Rights' are nonsense in the context of the UK and all common-law jurisdictions. Why? Well, compare and contrast. Common-law jurisdictions: everyone is a subject of the Crown [uK] or citizen [otherwise], with full right to do/own/say anything at all UNLESS the law prohibits or restricts. Civil-law jurisdictions: everyone is a vassal of the State (akin to slavery, by the way!), with no right to do/own/say anything at all UNLESS the law permits. It isn't nonsense at all, if it were no UK citizen would ever need to have gone to the ECHR to argue that a right had been breached. Nor does being a citizen stop the government of the day deciding to take away something previously allowed, membership of the EU and HRA did though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) You didn't bother to quote the following sentence though So, no, somebody can't spend the entire day on the phone without repercussions. The point you've missed though is that something as mundane as this shouldn't be a "human right" up for argument and court cases. From a speech by Chris Heaton-Harris, Conservative MP for Daventry: The original European Convention on Human Rights was designed to counterbalance the dictatorships, in Nazi Germany and in the Soviet Union. It was about saying that people should not be sent to prison camps without trial. It was about saying that nations should not torture the prisoners they hold. It was about saying that people should not be persecuted for religious beliefs. Those are noble principles that are just as important today. And Britain should always be a champion of real human rights, opposing dictatorship in places such as North Korea or helping promote democracy in emerging countries in Africa. But I do not believe those who wrote the original document in the aftermath of the Second World War ever imagined it would be used for the things it is used for today. Over the years, European judges have taken it upon themselves to apply those original principles into more and more areas, into things which should always be a matter for our Parliament and not their courtrooms. Like the ruling that prisoners should have the vote. Or that someone in our jails should have the right to artificial insemination with their partner while still serving their sentence. My constituents are clear that this needs to change. Cases which undermined the Human Rights Act http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6400120/Cases-which-undermined-the-Human-Rights-Act.html Edited January 19, 2018 by alchresearch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 You need a connection to an area, like working or owning or renting property, which I don't have in another area. Which is understandable, but it makes it even more stupid that someone working in the local area with a good connection to it cannot then stand. As you say it's high time this was sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Which is understandable, but it makes it even more stupid that someone working in the local area with a good connection to it cannot then stand. As you say it's high time this was sorted out. I have emailed my MP, the Electoral Commission and various other bodies; lets see if one man can make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euclid Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Are they, when did that come into force? They may be banned when operating machinery such as diggers, trucks etc. No the're not...they are quite commonplace in the earthmoving industry..everyone has a mobile.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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