leviathan13 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Caught a bit of this story on GMB this morning, and it prompted me to start a thread: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5287789/GMB-guest-says-children-not-best-friends.html Apparently, kids having 'best friends' at school makes them 'possessive' and 'territorial'. She also mentions that boys have 'mates', but girls have 'best friends' (am I right to think this is another 'patriarchy' stab...?). Parents have called it ridiculous, but she's still managed to get it out in to the media which means it will be talked about. How far are SJWs going to take it to create this utopia of inclusivity where everyone must be the same and get on with everyone? It's OK not to get on with everyone and have people in your life that you don't like. It's OK to have a different view of topics. We are not all the same. We all have different emotional needs and desires, yet we seem to be at a part of human evolution where a person is no longer expected to have to strive; everything should be laid on a plate for them without the need to build a level of resistance to the bad things in this world. How far do we think 'Social Justice' can be taken before the world turns in to '1984'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Its easy to get sucked in to the headline of "schools ban children having best friends", and at first I thought, here we go, more do-good'ing nonsense, but actually I have three school age children myself and I can see that when left to their own devices exclusive cliques do develop in class rooms and in the playground, and so I do see the sense in intervening and trying to make sure that they mix more broadly; that could be done by simply rotating the seating arrangement regularly in the classroom for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads36 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Social Justice - How Far Do We Go? well, we could start? and take it from there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Its easy to get sucked in to the headline of "schools ban children having best friends", and at first I thought, here we go, more do-good'ing nonsense, but actually I have three school age children myself and I can see that when left to their own devices exclusive cliques do develop in class rooms and in the playground, and so I do see the sense in intervening and trying to make sure that they mix more broadly; that could be done by simply rotating the seating arrangement regularly in the classroom for instance. But, by allowing children to choose their own friends, we're teaching trust and loyalty. By saying they must be friends with everyone, this is removing the need to learn decision making based on experience. I was bullied a lot at school - why would I want to be friends with those people? And it wasn't because of the person I was, it was because I was different. What that taught me is how to learn to trust and what to look for in the kinds of people I wanted around me. There's nothing wrong with 'cliques' if a few people gravitate towards each other based on their interests and personalities. We do it in adult life, why would we teach children any different? ---------- Post added 19-01-2018 at 12:46 ---------- well, we could start? and take it from there... 'Social Justice' started a while ago, hence many of the discussions on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) Assuming its the same Liz Fraser "parenting expert": She is the glamorous former TV presenter who has just written a handbook for mothers who want to look gorgeous in the playground. The Yummy Mummy's Survival Guide recommends a pedicure before going into labour, stomach crunches after the birth and Jo Malone linen spray to rid the bedroom of baby smells. Roll up, roll up, get your huge pinches of salt to go with this story here. She's an "expert" because she's had experience. She's also a self-proclaimed expert in bulimia and nervous breakdowns because they also happened to her. Edited January 19, 2018 by alchresearch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I don't see what this story has to do with social justice. It's just bad parenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 I don't see what this story has to do with social justice. It's just bad parenting. Maybe it was just my interpretation of what social justice is - the need to all play nicely and get along otherwise you'll hurt someone's feelings. The 'everyone gets a medal' for taking part types. I'm surprised that 'safe spaces' weren't mentioned in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 *nips off to his snowflake safe space* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollwithit Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 But, by allowing children to choose their own friends, we're teaching trust and loyalty. By saying they must be friends with everyone, this is removing the need to learn decision making based on experience. I was bullied a lot at school - why would I want to be friends with those people? And it wasn't because of the person I was, it was because I was different. What that taught me is how to learn to trust and what to look for in the kinds of people I wanted around me. There's nothing wrong with 'cliques' if a few people gravitate towards each other based on their interests and personalities. We do it in adult life, why would we teach children any different? ---------- Post added 19-01-2018 at 12:46 ---------- 'Social Justice' started a while ago, hence many of the discussions on this forum. Forcing children into uncomfortable situations is a good thing. Having to socialise with someone you wouldn't usually can break down barriers. Lets say the chief school bully finds themselves sitting in the class with a group of victims. Now that bully feels uncomfortable and vulnerable now they are out numbered amongst their victims. Now they experience the same feelings of isolation. Either that or they have to start mixing with others they never even contemplated. That's where the barriers should come down. As for everyone being equal and none should feel worst or better off than another. I definitely think every person should have a level playing field when they first start out in life when it comes to access to education a stable home etc. It's a shame that as a society we can't seem to get this bit right. But if everyone had a good start in life, whatever they do with that start is their business after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naive Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I’m not sure why the OP is so upset by the notion that schools should teach kids to get along with each other. It seems like a very good idea to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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