Voting at age 16

[apelike]

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Your the stat man, tell us?

 

Its a question, notice the question mark..

 

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How many 18+ year olds are working and not paying tax? How many 18+ people don’t work at all? Daft argument.

 

Notice this is about 16 year old's. The argument about taxation was by Annie Bynnol who states there should be "no taxation without representation." That of course breaks down because there are many people employed that pay tax but are also not allowed to vote.

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[A.B.Yaffle]

I think the voting age should be raised back up to 21 again.

[Annie Bynnol]

All of which require supervision and consent by adults, IE people who are old enough to vote.

 

Who are the "IE people" who follow people around supervising and giving consent?

 

In the real world of course nothing prevents "At sixteen

The ability to live independently.

The ability to earn a living.

The responsibility of raising a family and the myriad of other things people get on and do."

 

If there is a problem then the Courts/Social Services will provide support not hindrance.

 

"The argument about taxation was by Annie Bynnol who states there should be "no taxation without representation." That of course breaks down because there are many people employed that pay tax but are also not allowed to vote."

They are?

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[Robin-H]

 

Who are the "IE people" who follow people around supervising and giving consent?

 

In the real world of course nothing prevents "At sixteen

The ability to live independently.

The ability to earn a living.

The responsibility of raising a family and the myriad of other things people get on and do."

 

If there is a problem then the Courts/Social Services will provide support not hindrance.

 

"The argument about taxation was by Annie Bynnol who states there should be "no taxation without representation." That of course breaks down because there are many people employed that pay tax but are also not allowed to vote."

They are?

 

You can work, earn and pay tax from the age of 13.

[Annie Bynnol]

You can work, earn and pay tax from the age of 13.

 

You can be liable for tax at any age.

Sixteen is the age at which you can first work full time.

[Robin-H]

You can be liable for tax at any age.

Sixteen is the age at which you can first work full time.

 

So the argument isn't taxation without representation then.

[Annie Bynnol]

So the argument isn't taxation without representation then.

 

The OP is about "Voting at age 16 ".

 

My argument is that at 16 for the first time you can work full time and be liable to taxation but unlike others have no control over how the state spends and controls all aspects of your life as a full time worker paying tax. Hence the borrowed slogan of "no taxation without representation" which reflected the resentment of American colonists in 1761.

 

Secondly the legal status of sixteen year olds has changed from being property to being individuals who can live independant lives and with access to most rights previously denied to them. Many of the arguments used to deny them the right to vote are based the lack of clarity in the laws that have allowed these changes. So I argue that despite the lack legal clarity the Courts will promote individual reponsibility over control by others.

 

"No taxation without representation" is a rallying cry not a legal statute.

Another might be "Grow up? Not until you give me the vote!"

[apelike]

 

"The argument about taxation was by Annie Bynnol who states there should be "no taxation without representation." That of course breaks down because there are many people employed that pay tax but are also not allowed to vote."

They are?

 

Of course.

 

How about for a start the 2 million EU workers who are non-citizens and cannot vote despite paying tax, and that is not including the seasonal workers which would bring it to over 3 Million. Then there are also the many who could vote but are not registered to do so, although it is not known exactly how many of these actually work.

[Annie Bynnol]

Of course.

 

How about for a start the 2 million EU workers who are non-citizens and cannot vote despite paying tax, and that is not including the seasonal workers which would bring it to over 3 Million. Then there are also the many who could vote but are not registered to do so, although it is not known exactly how many of these actually work.

 

The topic is considering the voting system in England and if sixteen year olds should be allowed to vote.

There has been no link or call to change the rules about eligibility of foreign nationals.

 

In any case:

The "2 million EU workers..." can vote for their own Parliaments and they can vote for the European Parliament."

The additional seasonal workers would also be eligible for to vote in their own and European Parliament.

 

The many who choose not to register are not being denied the right to vote they are denying themselves.

[ENG601PM]

Secondly the legal status of sixteen year olds has changed from being property to being individuals who can live independant lives and with access to most rights previously denied to them. Many of the arguments used to deny them the right to vote are based the lack of clarity in the laws that have allowed these changes. So I argue that despite the lack legal clarity the Courts will promote individual reponsibility over control by others.

No they can't. They are legally children and need the authority of parents / guardian. They can't even leave home without parental permission or becoming the responsibility of the local children's services.