SnailyBoy Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) In what context? Huh, do you have a list? ---------- Post added 03-03-2018 at 13:48 ---------- No let's not start over- I am not a fool SnailyBoy. Whether I believe brain activity can be measured or not is irrelevant to what I was trying to establish. The truth is, you find it hard accept that the reality is that you/I/we do not USE science in our daily lives to establish certain truths. What truths are you establishing? Edited March 3, 2018 by SnailyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Huh, do you have a list? ---------- Post added 03-03-2018 at 13:48 ---------- What truths are you establishing? Maybe i worded that wrongly - what are you asking is true or untrue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Maybe i worded that wrongly - what are you asking is true or untrue? Blimey. I'm trying to get you to agree to a definition of truth to ensure we're on the same page. Are you using the definition that truth = in accordance with fact or reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Blimey. I'm trying to get you to agree to a definition of truth to ensure we're on the same page. Are you using the definition that truth = in accordance with fact or reality? truth truːθ/Submit noun noun: truth the quality or state of being true. "he had to accept the truth of her accusation" synonyms: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candour, honesty, genuineness; More gospel, gospel truth; accuracy, correctness, rightness, validity, factualness, factuality, authenticity; informaldinkum oil "he doubted the truth of her last statement" antonyms: dishonesty, falsity that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality. noun: the truth "tell me the truth" synonyms: the fact of the matter, what actually/really happened, the case, so; gospel, gospel truth, God's truth, the honest truth "it's the truth, I swear it" fact(s), reality, real life, actuality "truth is stranger than fiction" antonyms: lies, fiction a fact or belief that is accepted as true. plural noun: truths "the emergence of scientific truths" synonyms: fact, verity, certainty, certitude; More law, principle "scientific truths" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 truth truːθ/Submit noun noun: truth the quality or state of being true. "he had to accept the truth of her accusation" synonyms: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candour, honesty, genuineness; More gospel, gospel truth; accuracy, correctness, rightness, validity, factualness, factuality, authenticity; informaldinkum oil "he doubted the truth of her last statement" antonyms: dishonesty, falsity that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality. noun: the truth "tell me the truth" synonyms: the fact of the matter, what actually/really happened, the case, so; gospel, gospel truth, God's truth, the honest truth "it's the truth, I swear it" fact(s), reality, real life, actuality "truth is stranger than fiction" antonyms: lies, fiction a fact or belief that is accepted as true. plural noun: truths "the emergence of scientific truths" synonyms: fact, verity, certainty, certitude; More law, principle "scientific truths" Fine. How would you determine if a claim was true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz1 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 What truths are you establishing? Ok. I think you still do not understand. Let us define science and I will use a quote from mathematician and philosopher of science Bertrand Russell, who nicely explains that science is "the attempt to discover, by means of observation and reasoning based upon it...particular facts about the world, and the laws connecting facts with one another". That is from his book Religion & Science- now in light of this definition, let me further break down the scientific method. Science has a particular scope. It focuses on the physical world, can can only address natural processes and phenomena. From this perspective, questions such as 'what is meaning'.. why does 1+1 equal 2, 'why is it wrong to kill' or even 'WHY did my wife make me a cake' are questions outside the scientific process. So you have fully understand what science is- and hence that science cannot answer everything- to establish truths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Fine. How would you determine if a claim was true? Sorry. You asked a poster why would they believe something that could not be proven. Now you’re asking me to explain to you how to determine if a claim is true? Can you answer the question as to why I should believe you love your wife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Ok. I think you still do not understand. Let us define science and I will use a quote from mathematician and philosopher of science Bertrand Russell, who nicely explains that science is "the attempt to discover, by means of observation and reasoning based upon it...particular facts about the world, and the laws connecting facts with one another". That is from his book Religion & Science- now in light of this definition, let me further break down the scientific method. Science has a particular scope. It focuses on the physical world, can can only address natural processes and phenomena. From this perspective, questions such as 'what is meaning'.. why does 1+1 equal 2, 'why is it wrong to kill' or even 'WHY did my wife make me a cake' are questions outside the scientific process. So you have fully understand what science is- and hence that science cannot answer everything- to establish truths. I hate to do this to you, but now you have to demonstrate that there's something other than the physical world and the natural process. I suppose you could call it the supernatural. So over to you. ---------- Post added 03-03-2018 at 14:09 ---------- Sorry. You asked a poster why would they believe something that could not be proven. Now you’re asking me to explain to you how to determine if a claim is true? Can you answer the question as to why I should believe you love your wife? I'm getting to that. Would you use evidence to determine if a claim was true? Edited March 3, 2018 by SnailyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I hate to do this to you, but now you have to demonstrate that there's something other than the physical world and the natural process. I suppose you could call it the supernatural. So over to you. ---------- Post added 03-03-2018 at 14:09 ---------- I'm getting to that. Would you use evidence to determine if a claim was true? If you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 If you like. Do you accept that extraordinary (very unusual or remarkable) claims require extraordinary evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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