''The war on men''

[carosio]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=emily+maitlis+and+male+stripper&client=firefox-b-ab&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-teG7tK_ZAhVELsAKHclOAigQ_AUICigB&biw=1384&bih=763#imgrc=U24lvbTebm-tYM:

 

LOL!!!

[Cyclone]

They've been legally entitled to the same pay for about 50 years. It still doesn't always happen in practice though.

[ENG601PM]

The real world, or Sheffield anyway, probably employs more people in education (schools, colleges, 2 universities)

 

A sector majorly run by and for women. Perhaps men should complain more about education discrimination to get things evened up.

[Michael_W]

They've been legally entitled to the same pay for about 50 years. It still doesn't always happen in practice though.

 

It doesn't happen with all men either, companies will find ways to award on merit etc, it's not just discrimination against women in workplaces that try it on or work round it.

[Cyclone]

Awarding on merit is perfectly legal, discrimination on gender isn't.

 

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A sector majorly run by and for women. Perhaps men should complain more about education discrimination to get things evened up.

 

Until you look at the higher level positions, head teachers for example;

https://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2015/feb/11/lack-of-female-headteachers-gender-diversity-education

 

the overall proportion of women taking on headteacher positions is not reflected by the number of women in the workforce. A government report on the school workforce in England, issued last year, showed that the state education sector is 74% female, yet only 65% of headteachers are women.

 

“In my own experience of applying for a headteacher role, governors overtly believed that a man would be a better because he would be tougher and more respected by students,” said Wendy Baxter, headteacher at Meadstead primary academy.

 

“I found myself the only woman in a shortlist of nine, and believe I was there only because I was already doing the role as interim head. There were over 50 applicants, so I don’t think the male-dominated shortlist was down to chance.”

 

For other women, they found that they encountered judgement and came up against barriers that simply didn’t exist for the male candidates.

 

Systemic discrimination.

Edited February 18, 2018 by Cyclone

[ENG601PM]

Awarding on merit is perfectly legal, discrimination on gender isn't.

 

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Until you look at the higher level positions, head teachers for example;

https://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2015/feb/11/lack-of-female-headteachers-gender-diversity-education

 

 

 

Systemic discrimination.

 

Three quarters of teachers are women. The majority of students are women. The patriarchy excuse doesn't wash any more. Women make different life choices which lead to different outcomes.

 

Get with the reality of your first sentence - highlighted in case you can't find it in the fog of masculine doubt.

[spilldig]

So if your wife is getting suggestive comments at work she should put up? Felt up at work "it's just banter after all" she should just put up? Less wages than the bloke next to her? "Whatever darlin' mek us a cup of tea".

 

Good lord.

 

I honestly have not a clue what you are talking about. I have never said a word about women or men for that matter having to put up with anything. Why should they?

[Michael_W]

Awarding on merit is perfectly legal, discrimination on gender isn't.

 

---------- Post added 18-02-2018 at 12:48 ----------

 

 

Until you look at the higher level positions, head teachers for example;

https://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2015/feb/11/lack-of-female-headteachers-gender-diversity-education

 

 

 

Systemic discrimination.

 

So when is it clear that a woman is being paid less because of her gender and not because of her performance ?

Do women tend to take more days off sick ?

Do women tend to ask for more flexible work patterns ?

Without looking for any data I would take a guess at the answer to both being yes, in which case they may be viewed as less critical to business needs ..... merit !

[Ontarian1981]

So when is it clear that a woman is being paid less because of her gender and not because of her performance ?

Do women tend to take more days off sick ?

Do women tend to ask for more flexible work patterns ?

Without looking for any data I would take a guess at the answer to both being yes, in which case they may be viewed as less critical to business needs ..... merit !

 

Let's not even mention the armed forces. How many women make it to the front line in combat?

[Cyclone]

So when is it clear that a woman is being paid less because of her gender and not because of her performance ?

Do women tend to take more days off sick ?

Do women tend to ask for more flexible work patterns ?

Without looking for any data I would take a guess at the answer to both being yes, in which case they may be viewed as less critical to business needs ..... merit !

 

If flexible working patterns are family related, then that is still gender related isn't it. Women are also more likely to have maternity leave (despite it being possible for me to share it now), but again that is gender related.

If women are overlooked in favour of men for roles due to anything except qualifications or merit then it's discrimination. And attitudes like yours amongst hiring people still exist, so WITHOUT DATA they make unwarranted and probably illegal assumptions that lead to discrimination.

It's very difficult to prove of course, hence why it still happens.

 

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Three quarters of teachers are women. The majority of students are women. The patriarchy excuse doesn't wash any more. Women make different life choices which lead to different outcomes.

 

Get with the reality of your first sentence - highlighted in case you can't find it in the fog of masculine doubt.

 

You didn't even try to explain why in a profession that is >60% women, why the management layer of head teachers are >60% men.