''The war on men''

[Cyclone]

As far as i'm concerned, every one is equal(when it comes to the sexes).

I've never had an issue with equal pay,equal rights etc however it isn't about being equal anymore it's about ramming it down everyone's throat that someone somewhere isn't being treated the same - and its always about women.

Could that be because women are often not actually treat as equal?

 

Why can only women participate in Race for Life? That isn't equality. Where's the men only events organised by the same charity?

Why isn't it an issue that men can't attend WI ? Is there a male equivalent.

Weren't you posting in the thread about freemasons recently, a men only organisation?

 

My wife works in a predominantly female environment , and i mean 99.9% historically has been female in the role. They now have a male,who gets paid the same pay grade which is brilliant in all aspects. But he doesn't get a couple of days of a month fully paid with cramps or special treatment because he's pregnant or months of paid leave with his job saved for his return.

So no equality at all for him.

The frustrating thing is my grandchildren will be the generation that suffers.

You realise that men do indeed have the option of months of paid leave because they've had a child, just as women do.

I'd be very surprised if any organisation has a policy of "a couple of days off a month fully paid with cramps", presumably though anyone who actually suffers from something that makes it difficult or impossible to work gets sick leave. And I'm sure he would get special treatment if he manages to get pregnant, good luck to him with that!

 

---------- Post added 14-02-2018 at 09:20 ----------

 

Mothers seem to be wanting less responsibility for their children, despite being made for the role.

 

Wow, stereotype much?

 

---------- Post added 14-02-2018 at 09:22 ----------

 

I almost put traditional values, but then i thought stuff that men felt obliged to do for the "weaker sex" has lost its value, and tried to imply such things as manners and being a gentleman.

 

Having manners is nothing to do with sex or gender.

You shouldn't feel obliged to hold the door open for someone because they're female or male, you should do it because you're a decent person, for anyone.

[Halibut]

As far as i'm concerned, every one is equal(when it comes to the sexes).

I've never had an issue with equal pay,equal rights etc however it isn't about being equal anymore it's about ramming it down everyone's throat that someone somewhere isn't being treated the same - and its always about women.

 

Really not sure where you're coming from with that 'ramming it down throats' line. Not sure it's always about women either.

 

Why can only women participate in Race for Life? That isn't equality. Where's the men only events organised by the same charity?

 

They exist, you just didn't bother looking.

Why isn't it an issue that men can't attend WI ? Is there a male equivalent.

 

Because no-one (except yourself) is bothered?

 

I used to hold the door for people,now if its a woman i don't. Wouldn't want to be accused of sexism. I don't give up my chair anymore to anyone except the elderly.

 

Seriously? Wow. Weird.

 

I used to smile or nod acknowledgement to people if you happened to catch their eye inadvertently,now if its a female i look away instantly, who wants to be accused of objectification.

 

As above.

 

My wife works in a predominantly female environment , and i mean 99.9% historically has been female in the role. They now have a male,who gets paid the same pay grade which is brilliant in all aspects. But he doesn't get a couple of days of a month fully paid with cramps or special treatment because he's pregnant or months of paid leave with his job saved for his return.

So no equality at all for him.

The frustrating thing is my grandchildren will be the generation that suffers.

 

What suffering to you imagine your grandchildren will have to endure?

[Cyclone]

The 'war on men' is a phrase I heard another poster use the other day. Do you agree with me that it's a nonsensical and foolish descriptor, given that men still rule the world - or do you think men are having a really hard time of things?

 

Yes, it's nonsensical, I don't feel that there is a "war on men" and I'm not negatively affected by equality.

Some people seem to resent the loss of male privilege though.

[SnailyBoy]

I think a better word would be a 'war on traditional values'.

 

Despite the female of the species being the one more responsible for how their children develop and what type of person they grow into, its still the males fault.

Mothers seem to be wanting less responsibility for their children, despite being made for the role.

 

So the females by mere biology are more responsible for raising and developing children.

 

You know we aren't talking about polar bears?

Edited February 14, 2018 by SnailyBoy

[melthebell]

its NOT a war on men, its a war on the centuries old white male privilege

[Jonny5]

Imo it's not a "war on men" it's a war on "dominant aggressive men" who think the rules of law and decency don't apply to them.

 

The lines will get blurred a bit and some innocent men will get dragged into it but thats inevitable.

[Waldo]

How do you feel about a women wanting equal pay (which I agree, a person should revieve reward based on their contribution and value as an individual to a company) and then expecting men to pay on dates, and to provide for them generally....

 

I think while there is a societal expectation that men be providers, you cannot fairly have a situation where men and women receive equal pay (while women are expecting to be provided for in any way). One of those has to go! A women who expects both is not someone I would want to know.

[Cyclone]

How do you feel about a women wanting equal pay (which I agree, a person should revieve reward based on their contribution and value as an individual to a company) and then expecting men to pay on dates, and to provide for them generally....

Like I wouldn't date women who have those inequal gender expectations.

Anyway, my wife says I'm not allowed to date.

 

I think while there is a societal expectation that men be providers, you cannot fairly have a situation where men and women receive equal pay (while women are expecting to be provided for in any way). One of those has to go! A women who expects both is not someone I would want to know.

 

Is there? I know lots of professional women who provide for themselves.

You're confusing an expectation from an individual though, with a legal requirement.

Individual paper can "expect" whatever they like, that doesn't mean it will happen.

[Waldo]

In my experience, that expectation exists and a great many women are happy for men to pay. That's just my perception of course.

 

I do think though, if we're considering the question of pay equality, we also need to consider how it relates social expectation and gender roles. I think traditionally where men have been payed more, women have often been the home maker, the man bringing home the bacon while the women invests time and energy creating a home.

 

Times change...

 

I'm all for individuals getting equal pay for the same job; but as we practice equality and fairness in terms of pay, I think we need to do also in terms of expectations regarding gender roles. Equal pay means, in my view, men can no longer be expected to play the role of provider.

[Car Boot]

The men at the BBC have been quietly conducting a 'war on women' for decades.

 

This has resulted in women being paid less for doing the same work at the BBC.

 

It has also resulted in over 70 per cent of all BBC TV licence fee prosecutions every year being made against women. And that figure is growing...