leviathan13 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Which part of “equal but different “ does that macho head of yours struggle with? Explain to me the term 'equal but different'... Surely that's an oxymoron as, if there was an equality, nothing would be different. Or am i missing something? And it's nothing to do with being macho, i just call it common sense. Do you believe that women would be able to compete against men at a game of rugby or football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andbreathe Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Explain to me the term 'equal but different'... Surely that's an oxymoron as, if there was an equality, nothing would be different. Or am i missing something? And it's nothing to do with being macho, i just call it common sense. Do you believe that women would be able to compete against men at a game of rugby or football? Obviously. ---------- Post added 19-03-2018 at 01:06 ---------- What utter rubbish. Is that a thought out opinion or just bone idleness? If you’re going to rubbish a post at least have the decency to explain yourself. Save for the last sentence. Explain it to laviathan...he’s having problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Surely that's an oxymoron as, if there was an equality, nothing would be different. You have the typically strong male and a more emotional female. Can strong males do nursing and caring roles as well as women? They don't seem to want to do nursing roles in large numbers. Many primary school teachers are female, what is the most important aspect of teaching, a person with a memory like a computer or a person that can empathise and connect with children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Equality of opportunity of course means that the outliers amongst the averages that exist for personality and temperament are not told "no you can't be a primary school teacher because you're male" or "you can't be an engineer, girls aren't good at maths", or any other such damaging nonsense. ---------- Post added 19-03-2018 at 07:32 ---------- I accept that being brawny, aggressive and pro-active is a human trait usually more prevalent in the male of the species. Reports of its demise are greatly exaggerated. When did we stop selecting (electing) taller, more dominant more attractive individuals? Selecting in the genetic sense is absolutely nothing to do with electing. Unless being elected means you are more successful at passing on your genes. What we're selecting for now, under the environmental pressures we've largely created for ourselves I'm not entirely sure. It's certainly not aggression though, going out and fighting is unlikely to improve your chances of procreation, it's difficult to have a family whilst in jail for assault or attempted murder and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 You have the typically strong male and a more emotional female. Can strong males do nursing and caring roles as well as women? They don't seem to want to do nursing roles in large numbers. Many primary school teachers are female, what is the most important aspect of teaching, a person with a memory like a computer or a person that can empathise and connect with children. I'd say that some men can be as caring and as suitable in nursing and care-giving roles as women. And i reckon women can be just as good in the boardroom, as proven by people like Karen Brady. However, when it comes to the physical roles, there are places where men and women just simply cannot be 'equal'. How many people support an Australian politician saying that women rugby players should be allowed to compete in the men's game? Her reasoning is that women may not be as physically strong, but they have better leadership qualities... is that going to be enough to compete against 18 stone brick outhouses? Also, what about the potential for sexual harassment claims if a male rugby player's hands end up somewhere inappropriate whilst on the field? Would they need to amend the rules anf level the playing field to accommodate female players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I heard an article on 5 live this morning - the speaker/guest was female who was discussing the issues for men in society who perhaps had an absent father. She then mentioned that 84% of homeless people were men and that if this was women then it would be plastered everywhere and being debated everywhere, but because it's men no one is bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) I heard an article on 5 live this morning - the speaker/guest was female who was discussing the issues for men in society who perhaps had an absent father. She then mentioned that 84% of homeless people were men and that if this was women then it would be plastered everywhere and being debated everywhere, but because it's men no one is bothered. The problem with citing things like this will become apparent when you are accused of 'whataboutery'. Because women apparently have it so much harder in many parts of society, the rights of men are allowed to be ignored. It's a hierarchical structure of oppression and hardship with men, particularly white ones, are right down at the bottom in the current climate. So, if someone is suffering, the amount of help they should receive will depend on their gender/sex, race, social standing... according to many of the forummers on here (in my most humble of opinions). Edited March 20, 2018 by leviathan13 Comment from another forummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Explain to me the term 'equal but different'... Surely that's an oxymoron as, if there was an equality, nothing would be different. Or am i missing something? And it's nothing to do with being macho, i just call it common sense. Do you believe that women would be able to compete against men at a game of rugby or football? Equal but different: A kilogram of ice and a kilogram of water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Equal but different: A kilogram of ice and a kilogram of water But surely it depends on how you measure the equality? Dolphins are mammals, humans are mammals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Explain to me the term 'equal but different'... Surely that's an oxymoron as, if there was an equality, nothing would be different. Or am i missing something? And it's nothing to do with being macho, i just call it common sense. Do you believe that women would be able to compete against men at a game of rugby or football? It refers to equality of opportunity and equality of treatment, not everyone being identical. ---------- Post added 19-03-2018 at 19:20 ---------- So, if someone is suffering, the amount of help they should receive will depend on their gender/sex, race, social standing... according to many of the forummers on here. I'm sure you'll be able to quote something to back up that ridiculous claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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