£11 for 15 minutes of Care..

[ECCOnoob]

And of course, I assume that with us all taking responsibility for ourselves, and buying our own insurances etc, you will of course be greatly reducing taxes so we can afford it....

 

People can afford it. Minimum wage for must adults working full time hours is equivillent to over £1100 a month net. Its just about to increase by another £40 extra per month from April onwards.

 

Treatment plans are available from as little as £7 - £10 a month. If someone really could not set aside such a modest amount each month to pay for their supplementary health needs (beyond essential treatment) then quite frankly they need to think about their priorities more.

 

Why should taxes be reduced? That's the whole problem. Not enough going in and too much being taken out.

 

Those two words again. Personal responsibility.

 

The world does not owe someone a lifestyle.

Edited March 5, 2018 by ECCOnoob

[Ms Macbeth]

And of course, I assume that with us all taking responsibility for ourselves, and buying our own insurances etc, you will of course be greatly reducing taxes so we can afford it....

 

Income tax used to be 33% IIRC. We didn't live as long, and there weren't nearly as many single person households which meant less isolation. When I was young in the 1950s we rarely saw the doctor. My parents were from the generation that had to pay, and they revered the service. There were convalescent homes to which patients were moved to recover prior to going home, so no bed blocking. Nearly every home that I can remember had at least one worker unless they were retired.

[Anna B]

Income tax used to be 33% IIRC. We didn't live as long, and there weren't nearly as many single person households which meant less isolation. When I was young in the 1950s we rarely saw the doctor. My parents were from the generation that had to pay, and they revered the service. There were convalescent homes to which patients were moved to recover prior to going home, so no bed blocking. Nearly every home that I can remember had at least one worker unless they were retired.

 

I'm of a similar generation, and I can remember it too. I can't believe how much the world has changed. Yes everyone took pride in being self reliant, but we also grew up in a time of optimism and social mobility, when we thought the world could only get better. Every home did have a breadwinner and to be unemployed was something of a disgrace.

 

IMO I think that changed with Margaret Thatcher and mass unemployment in the 80s. There were a fair number who didn't thrive and they became the foundations of the embittered underclass. Thatcher's Britain was built on sand; financial services, greed and fast, easy money, which all came crashing down in the banking crisis of 2008, along with honesty, integrity, moral certitude, kindness and self respect.

 

We now have a new kind of world. Some of us may recover financially, but for me this was the price we all paid.

[alchresearch]

Just phoned a care company about help with caring at home for a young disabled person.

 

When my Grandmother was old in the 1970's care like this was free at the point of use, and so were care homes. What happened?

 

You're comparing apples and oranges. What provisions were in place in the 1970s for a young disabled person compared with today?

[the_bloke]

When my Grandmother was old in the 1970's care like this was free at the point of use, and so were care homes.

 

I remember care homes like that. The sort of homes where families put their old people in with a tear in their eye as they knew they'd be dead in six months as the quality of care and facilities meant care homes were just waiting rooms for the grim reaper.

 

Let's not go back to that please.

[geared]

Weren't many of those care homes funded from council money?

 

Cutbacks would have shut them down, IMO we do need to put alot more money into care for the elderly.

[truman]

Weren't many of those care homes funded from council money?

 

Cutbacks would have shut them down, IMO we do need to put alot more money into care for the elderly.

 

Care homes are still paid by "council money".

[geared]

Care homes are still paid by "council money".

 

They are, but has spending not been cut back - or at least not increased to match our ever growing and ageing population?

[Anna B]

I remember care homes like that. The sort of homes where families put their old people in with a tear in their eye as they knew they'd be dead in six months as the quality of care and facilities meant care homes were just waiting rooms for the grim reaper.

 

Let's not go back to that please.

 

Sorry, not my memories at all. The Council home my Granny was in was very nice, and not very different from a home today. The care workers all talked English and were very kind.

 

Actually, when I compare it with the private home another relative was in recently, which had beautiful full colour brochures, advertising a life of quiet bliss with lots of activities and trips neither of which ever happened, and the awful circumstances of her death 9 months after she moved in, which are simply too horrific to go into here, Granny's was far better.

[alchresearch]

Sorry, not my memories at all. The Council home my Granny was in was very nice, and not very different from a home today. The care workers all talked English and were very kind.

 

So you're saying that today's care homes are staffed by nasty non-English speaking foreigners?

 

Do you have any evidence of this or is it yet another thing from the world of Anna's mind?