Russian Chemical Weapon attack in Salisbury

[nikki-red]

The personal comments and digs End now. Either have a discussion like adults or don’t post at all.

 

Thank you.

[Stable]

There is something fishy about this saga, it doesn't add up to me

 

Exactly. You can say the moon is made of cheese if you want but I wouldn't go out buying crackers unti a piece is on the plate.

 

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Maybe they wanted to wait for the right moment, when they perceived us to be weak and somewhat isolated from our allies...

 

Trump in Putin's pocket - check!

UK splitting from the EU - check!

 

Do you think it's possible the Putin regime is behind this?

 

Do you have any hard evidence to suggest otherwise?

 

We know this is how justice is carried out in this country now but isn't the onus traditionally supposed to be on the accuser to bring the evidence?

Edited March 24, 2018 by Stable

[Waldo]

We know this is how justice is carried out in this country now but isn't the onus traditionally supposed to be on the accuser to bring the evidence?

 

In a court of law, yes.

 

In situations like this, of course it's preferable to have irrefutable evidence. A couple of points to consider...

 

The strength of any evidence we do have will perhaps inform the intensity of our response.

 

Just because the UK government is not sharing any evidence they have, with us, we cannot assume it does not exist. The fact of our allies jumping to our aid as they've done, may indicate we've shared intelligence on this matter with them, and it's been strong enough to convince them that the Russians did it.

 

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Exactly. You can say the moon is made of cheese if you want but I wouldn't go out buying crackers unti a piece is on the plate.

 

Do you not think that is a misleading comparison? We know the moon is not made from cheese, we do not know with the same level of certainty that the Russians did not do it.

[catpus]

@Waldo and Stable.

Excuse me for jumping into your conversation but have you ever investigated 'Disinformation Campaigns?'

 

WAR AGAINST ALTERNATIVE NEWS

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/28/the-war-against-alternative-information-2/

 

''There is a long history of disinformation and propaganda.

Former CIA agents Philip Agee and John Stockwell documented how it was done decades ago, by secretly planting “black propaganda” and covertly funding media outlets to influence events around the world, with much of the fake news blowing back into Western media.

In more recent decades, the US/UK government has adopted an Internet-era version of that formula with an emphasis on having the State Departments or the U.S.-funded National Endowment for Democracy - supply, train and pay “activists” and “citizen journalists” to create and distribute propaganda and false stories via “social media” and via contacts with the mainstream media.

Government’s strategy also seeks to undermine and discredit journalists who challenge this orthodoxy.

The new legislation escalates this information war by tossing another 160 million into the pot.

 

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To revisit the FACTS?

May’s reasoning is that, since novichok was made by the USSR between 70/80's and since “the government” assesses that Russia “views some defectors as legitimate targets,” the act is either a deliberate Russian attack on the UK or an act of negligence so criminal, it might as well be an attack????.

But so long as May’s government is unable or unwilling to furnish supporting evidence for its claim to the press or the public, there is no way for any 'investigative' journalist to verify that May’s accusation has merit.

The Prime Minister’s argument seems to rest on the fact that the nerve-agent used to poison the Skripals was developed by the USSR, a country that collapsed 29 years ago in 1989.

From this fact alone (assuming it is true), May’s government, the Commentariat, and countless News headlines have concluded — and expect the public to conclude — that Russia committed a war-crime by using chemical weapons in an attempt to murder the Skripals on UK soil.

Edited March 24, 2018 by catpus
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[hobinfoot]

@Waldo and Stable.

Excuse me for jumping into your conversation but have you ever investigated 'Disinformation Campaigns?'

 

WAR AGAINST ALTERNATIVE NEWS

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/28/the-war-against-alternative-information-2/

 

''There is a long history of disinformation and propaganda.

Former CIA agents Philip Agee and John Stockwell documented how it was done decades ago, by secretly planting “black propaganda” and covertly funding media outlets to influence events around the world, with much of the fake news blowing back into Western media.

In more recent decades, the US/UK government has adopted an Internet-era version of that formula with an emphasis on having the State Departments or the U.S.-funded National Endowment for Democracy - supply, train and pay “activists” and “citizen journalists” to create and distribute propaganda and false stories via “social media” and via contacts with the mainstream media.

Government’s strategy also seeks to undermine and discredit journalists who challenge this orthodoxy.

The new legislation escalates this information war by tossing another 160 million into the pot.

 

---------- Post added 24-03-2018 at 14:01 ----------

 

To revisit the FACTS?

May’s reasoning is that, since novichok was made by the USSR between 70/80's and since “the government” assesses that Russia “views some defectors as legitimate targets,” the act is either a deliberate Russian attack on the UK or an act of negligence so criminal, it might as well be an attack????.

But so long as May’s government is unable or unwilling to furnish supporting evidence for its claim to the press or the public, there is no way for any 'investigative' journalist to verify that May’s accusation has merit.

The Prime Minister’s argument seems to rest on the fact that the nerve-agent used to poison the Skripals was developed by the USSR, a country that collapsed 29 years ago in 1989.

From this fact alone (assuming it is true), May’s government, the Commentariat, and countless News headlines have concluded — and expect the public to conclude — that Russia committed a war-crime by using chemical weapons in an attempt to murder the Skripals on UK soil.

You've proved beyond doubt that you are a Russian apologist job done.

[chalga]

@Waldo and Stable.

Excuse me for jumping into your conversation but have you ever investigated 'Disinformation Campaigns?'

 

WAR AGAINST ALTERNATIVE NEWS

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/28/the-war-against-alternative-information-2/

 

''There is a long history of disinformation and propaganda.

Former CIA agents Philip Agee and John Stockwell documented how it was done decades ago, by secretly planting “black propaganda” and covertly funding media outlets to influence events around the world, with much of the fake news blowing back into Western media.

In more recent decades, the US/UK government has adopted an Internet-era version of that formula with an emphasis on having the State Departments or the U.S.-funded National Endowment for Democracy - supply, train and pay “activists” and “citizen journalists” to create and distribute propaganda and false stories via “social media” and via contacts with the mainstream media.

Government’s strategy also seeks to undermine and discredit journalists who challenge this orthodoxy.

The new legislation escalates this information war by tossing another 160 million into the pot.

 

---------- Post added 24-03-2018 at 14:01 ----------

 

To revisit the FACTS?

May’s reasoning is that, since novichok was made by the USSR between 70/80's and since “the government” assesses that Russia “views some defectors as legitimate targets,” the act is either a deliberate Russian attack on the UK or an act of negligence so criminal, it might as well be an attack????.

But so long as May’s government is unable or unwilling to furnish supporting evidence for its claim to the press or the public, there is no way for any 'investigative' journalist to verify that May’s accusation has merit.

The Prime Minister’s argument seems to rest on the fact that the nerve-agent used to poison the Skripals was developed by the USSR, a country that collapsed 29 years ago in 1989.

From this fact alone (assuming it is true), May’s government, the Commentariat, and countless News headlines have concluded — and expect the public to conclude — that Russia committed a war-crime by using chemical weapons in an attempt to murder the Skripals on UK soil.

 

We don't have to assume that it's true,I just posted the link to a Russian scientist who worked on the nerve agent,and exposed the Kremlin lies that they haven't produced it.

[melthebell]

But so long as May’s government is unable or unwilling to furnish supporting evidence for its claim to the press or the public, there is no way for any 'investigative' journalist to verify that May’s accusation has merit.

But you DONT know whats going on behind the scenes, we dont get told everything, most of the world community seem to agree with us so they mustve been given details?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43520534

 

and the experts are here, they may know?

International inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons have arrived in the UK. They have been to the location in Salisbury and have also been given permission, following approval by a judge, to take a sample of the Skripals' blood.

 

They are also present at Porton Down itself. The DSTL is an OPCW certified lab and the inspectors will be carrying out their own work here and at other labs around the world to independently verify the work done by DSTL.

or are they part of the conspiracy too?

[FinBak]

Owdoo Mel..

 

Skripal had access to Novichok. What's saying that he already had some and 'Accidentally' contaminated himself and his daughter?...He wasn't attacked.

 

What he was going to do with it?...another matter but entirely possible that he had it in his possession.

[melthebell]

Owdoo Mel..

 

Skripal had access to Novichok. What's saying that he already had some and 'Accidentally' contaminated himself and his daughter?...He wasn't attacked.

 

What he was going to do with it?...another matter but entirely possible that he had it in his possession.

aye suppose he couldve had some and sniffed it for laughs and giggles like poppers

[FinBak]

aye suppose he couldve had some and sniffed it for laughs and giggles like poppers

 

Not what i meant.! But knowing you...absolutely possible.!