Waldo Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) It seems the most likely place where the attack took place was the door handle of the house, which is very reckless to say the least. Yes, reckless. Not just a targeted attack. They clearly didn't mind killing random British citizens in their attempt to get the Skripals. ---------- Post added 30-03-2018 at 09:42 ---------- and what would be the point? if Putin wanted him dead, he would be... Well, the point is to be informed on such matters before jumping to unfounded conclusions, but you accept that it is in Putins nature to do such a thing? Edited March 30, 2018 by Waldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 or incompetent....if Putin wanted him dead, he would be dead It was certainly an incompetent attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It was certainly an incompetent attack. You'd think placing the agent somewhere the target is likely to touch, is a bit sloppy. You have no control over when, if and how much exposure to the agent, the target will receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Actual transcript from the Craig Roberts column, showing how the hyenas can change the context....by taking Chinese whispers as the truth. And the dumb and dumbers on this forum will believe it... Charlie Hebdo Shooting: False flag? The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists’ office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people. Usually Muslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat. Their identity was allegedly established by the claim that they conveniently left for the authorities their ID in the getaway car.... Such a mistake is inconsistent with the professionalism of the attack and reminds me of the undamaged passport found miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers. It is a plausible inference that the ID left behind in the getaway car was the ID of the two Kouachi brothers, convenient patsies, later 'killed by police', and from whom we will never hear anything - and not the ID of the professionals who attacked Charlie Hebdo. An important fact that supports this inference is the report that the third suspect in the attack, Hamyd Mourad, the alleged driver of the getaway car, when seeing his name circulating on social media as a suspect realized the danger he was in and quickly turned himself into the police for protection against being murdered by security forces as a terrorist. Hamyd Mourad says he has an iron-clad alibi. If so, this makes him the despoiler of a false flag attack. Authorities will have to say that despite being wrong about Mourad, they were right about the Kouachi brothers. Alternatively, Mourad could be coerced or tortured into some sort of confession that supports the official story...... The American and European media have ignored the fact that Mourad turned himself in for protection from being killed as a terrorist as he has an alibi... http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/january/14/charlie-hebdo-shootings-false-flag/ ---------- Post added 29-03-2018 at 16:25 ---------- @Chalga Thanks for posting this.... "speculated that the U.S. government executed the attack to punish France for its independent foreign policy, citing its vote at the United Nations to recognize Palestine as a state and French President Francois Hollande's recent call to ease sanctions on Russia." I hadn't realised this and will research it thoroughly now. ---------- Post added 29-03-2018 at 16:27 ---------- As detectives do when investigating, I will begin with the question 'Who Gained.' Re the bit I've emboldened? How will you research it? How will you verify the information you find? I suggest you research the term "confirmation bias" first. This would be laughable if it wasn't so sad and worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 That really is good news and must be a testament to the authorities identifying the chemical used in the attack to help the medical people give the best treatment to the victims. It seems the most likely place where the attack took place was the door handle of the house, which is very reckless to say the least. tbf there'd be less people at somebodys front door than at say a restaurant ---------- Post added 30-03-2018 at 09:57 ---------- but you accept that it is in Putins nature to do such a thing? very much so, hes shown over decades that he can be merciless thats why so many leave Russia with a price on their head, and why so many die after they have left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 You'd think placing the agent somewhere the target is likely to touch, is a bit sloppy. You have no control over when, if and how much exposure to the agent, the target will receive. Exactly. Its only good fortune that no other people came in to contact with the door handle, while the chemical was still dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 You'd think placing the agent somewhere the target is likely to touch, is a bit sloppy. You have no control over when, if and how much exposure to the agent, the target will receive. The Kremlin are having to take more risks by employing people to carry out their dirty work who can't be traced back to them,that means people who are less likely to know what they are doing. It came off with Litvenenko,in the sense that he did die,but the trail led straight back to the Kremlin,no doubt they will try to fix this 'problem' in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Yes, reckless. Not just a targeted attack. They clearly didn't mind killing random British citizens in their attempt to get the Skripals. ---------- Post added 30-03-2018 at 09:42 ---------- Well, the point is to be informed on such matters before jumping to unfounded conclusions, but you accept that it is in Putins nature to do such a thing? i dont personally know that man, but if we are to believe what we are told about him, then yes he is well capable, but on the other hand, i wouldnt put it past our own country doing such an evil deed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 tbf there'd be less people at somebodys front door than at say a restaurant That's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The Kremlin are having to take more risks by employing people to carry out their dirty work who can't be traced back to them,that means people who are less likely to know what they are doing. It came off with Litvenenko,in the sense that he did die,but the trail led straight back to the Kremlin,no doubt they will try to fix this 'problem' in future. come on, if Putin wanted him dead, then he would be, why even use a chemical that has its origins in Russia? why not a bomb under his car? why not a bullet to the back of the head? its too convenient to use a chemical that can supposedly traced back to Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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