Sheffield train electrification cancellation hidden by tories.

[tinfoilhat]

You can only wield power in Government. In Opposition you can only protest, and you're in the position of leading a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Its up to the electorate to decide they're not prepared to put up with this shafting any longer.

 

So Labour were going to electrify MML once they won the 2010 election. Gotcha.

 

Even if they win the next election by an absolute landslide, they won't electrify MML because they won't need to.

[pss60]

So Labour were going to electrify MML once they won the 2010 election. Gotcha.

 

Even if they win the next election by an absolute landslide, they won't electrify MML because they won't need to.

 

They haven't spent five years promising electrification, only to ditch it. Had they won last year, they'd have kept the promise. That could have been the start of electrifying all main routes. Instead May got in with help from the DUP and millions of feckless cap doffers, and one month after the General Election revealed what they'd decided upon three months earlier and hid from the voters. That is the worst kind of double dealing imaginable, and for the next 16 years Sheffield gets an inferior service to the likes of Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, Doncaster etc. And what about the people of Leicester and Derby. Don't they matter?

Edited April 2, 2018 by pss60

[tinfoilhat]

They haven't spent five years promising electrification, only to ditch it. Had they won last year, they'd have kept the promise. That could have been the start of electrifying all main routes. Instead May got in with help from the DUP and millions of feckless cap doffers, and one month after the General Election revealed what they'd decided upon three months earlier and hid from the voters. That is the worst kind of double dealing imaginable, and for the next 16 years Sheffield gets an inferior service to the likes of Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, Doncaster etc. And what about the people of Leicester and Derby. Don't they matter?

 

To governments, of either colour, no they don't.

[ECCOnoob]

Sheffield gets an inferior service to the likes of Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, Doncaster etc. And what about the people of Leicester and Derby. Don't they matter?

 

Sheffield and the East Midlands has always had a deemed "inferior" service to the other mainlines for the past 50 years not just now.

 

There is a very simple reason for that. Look at some rough numbers for 2016/2017 from ORR and Network Rail.

 

West Coast Mainline - 30.8 million passengers (2 high speed franchise opertors 1 sleeper operator)

East Coast Mainline - 27.3 million passengers (3 high speed franchise operators)

Midland Mainline - 26.8 million (1 high speed franchise operator)

 

Doncaster, Leeds, Birmingham, York have always been on the primary lines out of London. WCML and ECML are the key transport links between London all the way through to Scotland. Always have been. Always will be. Thats just geography.

 

MML has always been a secondary line. In fact, until 1960 closure of Victoria Station it wasn't even Sheffield's primary station.

 

No government whether its red, blue, green, yellow or bloody rainbow will change that position.

 

The main focus for us to hold on to our olive branch of the HS2 investment. The Council have already tried to jepordise that once before along with the NIMBYs to give us a watered down product. Lets hope they can keep their mouths shut so we dont risk losing it altogeher.

 

Then there would be something to complain about.

Edited April 2, 2018 by ECCOnoob

[pss60]

Sheffield and the East Midlands has always had a deemed "inferior" service to the other mainlines for the past 50 years not just now.

 

There is a very simple reason for that. Look at some rough numbers for 2016/2017 from ORR and Network Rail.

 

West Coast Mainline - 30.8 million passengers (2 high speed franchise opertors 1 sleeper operator)

East Coast Mainline - 27.3 million passengers (3 high speed franchise operators)

Midland Mainline - 26.8 million (1 high speed franchise operator)

 

Doncaster, Leeds, Birmingham, York have always been on the primary lines out of London. WCML and ECML are the key transport links between London all the way through to Scotland. Always have been. Always will be. Thats just geography.

 

MML has always been a secondary line. In fact, until 1960 closure of Victoria Station it wasn't even Sheffield's primary station.

 

No government whether its red, blue, green, yellow or bloody rainbow will change that position.

 

The main focus for us to hold on to our olive branch of the HS2 investment. The Council have already tried to jepordise that once before along with the NIMBYs to give us a watered down product. Lets hope they can keep their mouths shut so we dont risk losing it altogeher.

 

Then there would be something to complain about.

Kings Lynn has electrified services to London, and has had them for 25 or so years, so Sheffield is clearly deemed as inferior to Kings Lynn.

 

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To governments, of either colour, no they don't.

They certainly don't matter to this lot, which sneakily pulls the plug on electrification before a General Election, then lets it out afterwards on the final day before a recess to avoid having to explain, but there is a simple explanation - the Tories have contempt for us up here and anyone who denies that is simply a simpering cap doffer.

Edited April 2, 2018 by pss60

[ECCOnoob]

Kings Lynn has electrified services to London, and has had them for 25 or so years, so Sheffield is clearly deemed as inferior to Kings Lynn.

 

Kings Lynn is on the Great Northern (formerly Thameslink) (Formerly Network South East) Commuter Belt Route. A route which majority rolling stock is EMU and operating companies that have overall network passenger numbers nearly 10x the long distance single mainline ones.

 

What has that got to do with anything?? You changing the subject again because you cannot find an answer you like??

 

We are talking about intercity main lines here.

Edited April 2, 2018 by ECCOnoob

[fill]

I consider myself very fortunate in that it is extremely unlikely that life will conspire against me in such a way that I would have to go to London and luckier still that I would not be making that journey by train

 

Whether you consider it wisely or not some people do elect to work in London necessitating a trip by rail... I would think that those so afflicted would be pleased that there daily two way journey is not going to be subject to countless delays when work on the electrification takes priority over travel ... regardless of the fact you had probably bought some kind of season ticket.

 

The only purpose I see for improving train times between London and anywhere at least an extra 5-600 ft above sea level if to facilitate a faster evacuation of London when the natural rise in the earth's temperature leads to the melting of the ice at the poles and a 500ft rise in sea level. Well we dont want your Londoners evacuating to Sheffield thank you, so please keep your faster trains out of Yorkshire.

[1978]

Leaving all the politics and motive power options to one side for just a few seconds, within about 3 years we could have a Master Cutler that takes only 1 hour 45 minutes to St Pancras.

 

If the early Edinburgh train stops only at Newcastle before going non-stop to Kings Cross surely the Master Cutler could run non-stop from Chesterfield to St Pancras? No wiring needed. To get below 1 hour 48 minutes some track improvements would be necessary, but they're supposed to be happening anyway.

 

Seems easy to me - but the business community would have to prove there's sufficient demand to fill the train without relying on custom from Derby and Leicester. That's probably the problem, there isn't currently perceived to be enough to justify such a train.There is from Edinburgh and Newcastle but could this be a question of chicken and egg? Or maybe there isn't demand for any faster services, perish the thought!

[The Joker]

Well we dont want your Londoners evacuating to Sheffield thank you, so please keep your faster trains out of Yorkshire.

 

too late, it’s been going on for over a decade.

 

London councils can’t afford to house London families at London rent prices, so they’re sending all their surplus chavs Oop North.

 

Haven’t you been round our council estates lately? They’ve been overrun with shrieking cockney accents, all of them

[pss60]

Kings Lynn is on the Great Northern (formerly Thameslink) (Formerly Network South East) Commuter Belt Route. A route which majority rolling stock is EMU and operating companies that have overall network passenger numbers nearly 10x the long distance single mainline ones.

 

What has that got to do with anything?? You changing the subject again because you cannot find an answer you like??

 

We are talking about intercity main lines here.

 

I don't care what line Kings Lynn is on. It has been electrified over 25 years, unlike Sheffield, and that is the important thing. You are happy for Sheffield and South Yorkshire to get inferior treatment. Electrifying the MML could be the start of electrifying all main routes, like Derby-Birmingham (and on to the South West), Sheffield-Leeds, Sheffield-Doncaster, and indeed Sheffield-Manchester. But that is beyond your myopic capabilities, and with attitudes like yours, no wonder Sheffield is seen as a second rate city, miles behind the likes of Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, and I would add Bristol, Cardiff and Newcastle to that list.

 

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Leaving all the politics and motive power options to one side for just a few seconds, within about 3 years we could have a Master Cutler that takes only 1 hour 45 minutes to St Pancras.

 

If the early Edinburgh train stops only at Newcastle before going non-stop to Kings Cross surely the Master Cutler could run non-stop from Chesterfield to St Pancras? No wiring needed. To get below 1 hour 48 minutes some track improvements would be necessary, but they're supposed to be happening anyway.

 

Seems easy to me - but the business community would have to prove there's sufficient demand to fill the train without relying on custom from Derby and Leicester. That's probably the problem, there isn't currently perceived to be enough to justify such a train.There is from Edinburgh and Newcastle but could this be a question of chicken and egg? Or maybe there isn't demand for any faster services, perish the thought!

We want an electrified network. You're someone else who is happy with second best.

Edited April 3, 2018 by pss60