Indigenous British people that can't speak English

[the_bloke]

It's impossible to trace all your ancestors as far back as that.

 

As someone who has managed to get a branch back to pre 1066 (back to about 850 AD, all lords from Normandy) I'd be quite happy to say that unless you are intermarried royalty most of your family tree withers out around the 1720 mark as no one really bothered keeping records about poor people before then and those records that did exist were often lost over time.

 

By the time you get back to 1066 you'll have about 100+ family lines you can consider your direct ancestor and you can't have done all those to say you are free from immigrants in your bloodline.

[Ms Macbeth]

I'd suggest anyone who truly believes they have no immigrants in their family gets a DNA profile from ancestry. I've traced my ancestry back a few generations (1700s) and thought my DNA would be Scots/Irish/English. The majority is, but there's also Scandinavia and Europe in there.

 

Pity really, I was hoping for something more exotic!

[fill]

Your lot did well to survive the 1066 invason or did your ancesters turn traitor and side with the Normans who took possession of vast amounts of land. You could be Viking, Angle , Saxon or Roman to name but a few , thank you!

 

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yes we did thank you.

as far as we know our family can be traced back to around 900 comming predominantly from Scotland and Ireland obviously we did survive the norman invasion of 1066 as some of us are obviously still here now.... we have also established that we have Scandanavian or what the uninformed call Viking genes. obviously not all our relations are pure brit but to our knowledge all the ancestors from which we today have descended are.

 

i said we have proof of far more but consider that 5 generations of all born in the uk to be suffice to be able to consider ourselves as brits of course others may think it should be more generations than that and we would not be willing to contest that .

 

we do think less than 5 generations is not enough but that is our opinion someone might well be able to justify to themselves it being less than 5 generations which would be their opinion.

Edited April 22, 2018 by fill

[mort]

Back on topic please this is about indigenous people who don't speak english.

[lazarus]

My family and friends are awash with Irish and to claim some Irish can't speak or don't speak English is incredulous . As Victor would say " I don't believe it!"

[blake]

My family and friends are awash with Irish and to claim some Irish can't speak or don't speak English is incredulous . As Victor would say " I don't believe it!"

 

Irish and Scottish Gaelic are practically non-existent compared to Welsh anyway, which is easily the most flourishing Gaelic language, and by an absolutely massive margin too.

 

my mother is from south Wales, everybody round there can speak English with no exceptions however she did have an uncle from Gwynedd, about whom it was said in family lore, that he could not speak English. Whether he could speak English, and just wouldn't or refused to, or whether he really didn't know how to speak English at all, I don't know.

 

whether it is possible for somebody from one of the predominately Welsh speaking counties to go through their lives without speaking English hardly at all, and who may have gone rusty to the point that they just can't hold a conversation in English anymore, like almost nobody remembers their GSCE French, I am pretty sure that is probably true.

[Annie Bynnol]

Just for information, Welsh, Breton and Cornish are Brythonic languages, Scots and Irish are Gaelic which predates them and is as different to them as English is to German.

The ancestral Welsh language was spoken in Western and Southern Britain and Ireland as far as Dublin, Glasgow and Aberdeen.

Local 'Welsh' names include Don, Derwent, Rivelin, etc.

 

English was universally the official language of church and state school lessons up until WWII. After this time some schools became more or less bi-lingual. Now all schools are more or less bi-lingual.

 

The ability to communicate in only one language is becoming more unusual.

 

When children left school at 10 and in areas where the opportunity to speak English was limited, there were people who would not speak English for fear of ridicule. They understood perfectly.

 

You do not forget English taught throughout your school years, neither can you avoid it in day to day life.

In every day conversation English words and phrases are included. People flit from one language to another within one conversation.

 

There is no comparison between the level of language ability needed to gain GCSE English and GCSEs in other taught languages.

 

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Just for information, Welsh, Breton and Cornish are Brythonic languages, Scots and Irish are Gaelic which predates them and is as different to them as English is to German.

The ancestral Welsh language was spoken in Western and Southern Britain and Ireland as far as Dublin, Glasgow and Aberdeen.

Local 'Welsh' names include Don, Derwent, Rivelin, etc.

 

English was universally the official language of church and state school lessons up until WWII. After this time some schools became more or less bi-lingual. Now all schools are more or less bi-lingual.

 

The ability to communicate in only one language is becoming more unusual.

 

When children left school at 10 and in areas where the opportunity to speak English was limited, there were people who would not speak English for fear of ridicule. They understood perfectly.

 

 

 

 

 

Nobody

Edited April 23, 2018 by Annie Bynnol

[Flanker7]

"Annie Bynnol - English was universally the official language of church and state school lessons up until WWII."

 

Accepted. But, this was the date, WWII, when political correctness first started to distort ordinary commonsence.

 

When was English first universally accepted as the language of Church and State schools?

 

My guess is that it would have been as a result of evolution when people voted with their tongues to legitimise what was already becoming the defacto state of society. Which is normal and to be expected.

 

I don't think it would be as a result of a government initiative or as a result of a small pressure group having more influence than their numbers should have caused.

 

Blue Mink - Meltin' Pot

[blake]

oh dear. You haven't got a clue have you.

 

Compelling people to speak English in school was a feature for years, and imposed. Not only was Welsh not on the curriculum in Welsh schools, but children would be punished for speaking Welsh, their first language, and the language they used at home, even in the playground, at school. That went on for decades. It only stopped quite recently, maybe from about 50 years ago.

 

imperialists always do it. They impose a foreign language on people. The Communist Russians did it in Latvia and Ukraine. Guess what. Latvians and Ukranians didn't like it when some dick tried to get them to speak Russian, when they would rather speak their own language. Why should the Welsh, or Irish be any different.

Edited April 23, 2018 by blake

[Ontarian1981]

Watched a really down to earth play, a few years back with authentic Sheffield accents. Can't remember the name of it, but it had subtitles LOL