Don valley Railway

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, Irene Swaine said:

A diesel tram could provide more flexibility and reduce costs, no need for stanchions and power cables. No unsightly steel structures. It's definitely something to think about. 

The 'big idea' is to phase out fossil-fuel transport.

[Irene Swaine]

1 minute ago, RollingJ said:

The 'big idea' is to phase out fossil-fuel transport.

The big idea is a corrupt con. There is nout wrong with fossil fuel.

[ECCOnoob]

31 minutes ago, Irene Swaine said:

A diesel tram could provide more flexibility and reduce costs, no need for stanchions and power cables. No unsightly steel structures. It's definitely something to think about. 

So in other the words just like a bus that they've already got.

[RollingJ]

2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

So in other the words just like a bus that they've already got.

Exactly - with added maintenance costs.

[Irene Swaine]

5 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

So in other the words just like a bus that they've already got.

No, buses can take lower loadings, have different acceleration due to the increased friction of the tyres, do not have the added customer service of a Conductor, and consequently have longer dwell times. They also do not have traffic light priority or ability to run on tram only lines, or the potential to run on the national rail line. 

[Meltman]

1 hour ago, Irene Swaine said:

632, say that's a man and his wife, that's 1,34. Say half of them have a child, that child goes to ballerina lessons in town every evening, that's an extra 316. That's a total of 1,460 people. And there will also be some people in private houses wanting public transport, e.g. those with glaucoma or those who want to enjoy a drink whilst out. 

I was replying to your comment about social housing, I'm aware that there are private houses, I have friends who live there. None of my male grandchildren go to balerina lessons  in town or anywhere else for that matter. One of my female grandchildren goes to dance class but not every night and doesn't live in Stocksbridge. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm in favour of opening up the Don Valley line and possibly extending it to say Waverly, Woodhouse and Beighton and maybe Killamarsh, Barrow Hill and Chesterfield....all using existing track bed. The 2 problems as I  see it are  (1) Are there enough passenger loads to make it pay? and (2) how would it get nearer to the city centre to enable connections with existing trams,busses etc.?

[Irene Swaine]

4 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Exactly - with added maintenance costs.

No, it is not exactly the same as a bus. ECCO made a very ignorant comment. There are more differences between a tram and a bus than just where they draw power from.

[Meltman]

43 minutes ago, Irene Swaine said:

A diesel tram could provide more flexibility and reduce costs, no need for stanchions and power cables. No unsightly steel structures. It's definitely something to think about. 

Unfortunately a diesel tram would go against all the do-gooders, all the efforts are trying to get pollution down  not adding more to it.

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, Irene Swaine said:

No, it is not exactly the same as a bus. ECCO made a very ignorant comment. There are more differences between a tram and a bus than just where they draw power from.

Your responses and their content become more hilarious the deeper you dig yourself in - but carry on, I enjoy the fun.

[Irene Swaine]

1 minute ago, Meltman said:

I was replying to your comment about social housing, I'm aware that there are private houses, I have friends who live there. None of my male grandchildren go to balerina lessons  in town or anywhere else for that matter. One of my female grandchildren goes to dance class but not every night and doesn't live in Stocksbridge. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm in favour of opening up the Don Valley line and possibly extending it to say Waverly, Woodhouse and Beighton and maybe Killamarsh, Barrow Hill and Chesterfield....all using existing track bed. The 2 problems as I  see it are  (1) Are there enough passenger loads to make it pay? and (2) how would it get nearer to the city centre to enable connections with existing trams,busses etc.?

Chesterfield currently has 5-6 six train services per hour, for six days a week and then 3-4 services per hour on Sundays, linking it to Sheffield, Leeds, Edinburgh and beyond. I cannot see a market for a tram to Chesterfield, especially with the new X17 bus route and the 43/44 providing services that drop people on the doorstep. Woodhouse again is well served. Waverley seems to be populated by working class people from Rotherham who managed to better themselves and all have cars. The 73 bus rarely picks up any trade on that estate. The tram already runs to Beighton. The only practical places a tram could physically operate would be to Stocksbridge, Hunter's Bar and possibly along Prince Of Wales Road.

 

4 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Your responses and their content become more hilarious the deeper you dig yourself in - but carry on, I enjoy the fun.

I am not digging myself in anywhere. You and ECCO think if you stick an engine on a tram that it becomes a bus. That is absurd.