Don valley Railway

[Irene Swaine]

On 10/10/2023 at 08:20, Bargepole23 said:

Send the tram up Whitham Rd to Broomhill.

 

Send the tram up Chesterfield Rd to Woodseats.

 

One way traffic on Waingate and a few narrow junctions a barrier to trams to Firth Park....idiot or troll?

And how would the tram get over Brookhill roundabout then? Didn't think of that one did you. Firth Park is impractical to run a tram through and is already incredibly well served with buses. 

On 10/10/2023 at 12:21, HeHasRisen said:

Flounced off she did, having all her posts deleted in a right old huff. 

How do you know that that person didn't have her account banned for no reason?

[RollingJ]

6 minutes ago, Irene Swaine said:

And how would the tram get over Brookhill roundabout then?(1) Didn't think of that one did you. Firth Park is impractical to run a tram through and is already incredibly well served with buses. 

How do you know that that person didn't have her account banned for no reason? (2)

(1) It got over Park Square, didn't it?

(2) Because this forum admin don't ban for 'no known reason' - in fact it is incredibly hard to get them to do much more than basic  keeping the obvious trolls/spammers out.

[Irene Swaine]

1 minute ago, RollingJ said:

(1) It got over Park Square, didn't it?

With an extensive bridge structure. Park Square is a more open space for said structure to be built. The University buildings would restrict the possibility of this, as well as the existing tram track, which would make building a bridge difficult.

[Bargepole23]

2 hours ago, Irene Swaine said:

And how would the tram get over Brookhill roundabout then? Didn't think of that one did you. Firth Park is impractical to run a tram through and is already incredibly well served with buses. 

How do you know that that person didn't have her account banned for no reason?

It gets round the corner at Glossop Road, likely the tracks under Brookhill rbout could be modified so a tram route turns off up Whitham Rd.

 

A tram up the A6135 past the NG hospital would be a well used route IMO.

[BigAl1]

38 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

It gets round the corner at Glossop Road, likely the tracks under Brookhill rbout could be modified so a tram route turns off up Whitham Rd.

 

A tram up the A6135 past the NG hospital would be a well used route IMO.

well that should stop them considering it then!

[Irene Swaine]

41 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

It gets round the corner at Glossop Road, likely the tracks under Brookhill rbout could be modified so a tram route turns off up Whitham Rd.

 

A tram up the A6135 past the NG hospital would be a well used route IMO.

It could well be structurally impossible to expand the Netherthorpe tunnel. When it was built, in the 1990s, it was common practice to pack areas surrounding building work with extracted rubble, as happened with the hole in the road. Disturbing it could send it all crashing down. There is also no space for a tram terminus at Fulwood, certainly not on Brooky avenue. Forge Dam could be an option and create a niche market but it would have to be single line running (one track for both directions). 

 

Northern General has a regular bus service running right on to the grounds, as well as the 95, 95A, 2, 88, 20, 1A and 83 running past the entrance at regular intervals. The advantage of the bus is that it can take people closer to the front door. The heavy traffic on Barnsley Road means the tram wouldn't be able to offer a quick enough service to offer a benefit, as opposed to the bus.

[AndrewC]

None of the problems some of you have mentioned above are really insurmountable, in engineering/traffic management terms. They just seem that way.

 

The truth is, once you have the political will to build these kinds of extensions then you find a way. It's more than doable, you just need a local authority/government who want to do it. Yes, funding is an issue, and yes, there are questions about using the cheapest options, but any tram line is expensive...

 

 

The extensions in Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham over the last 10 years had many engineering/traffic management obstacles worse than anything mentioned above.

[Irene Swaine]

2 hours ago, AndrewC said:

The truth is, once you have the political will to build these kinds of extensions then you find a way. It's

The political will is there for HS2, none of us asked for it, but they kept on trying, now it's been partly cancelled and the future of the remaining part remains in doubt. In the 1990s, the PTE wanted to run the tram up Stannington but the residents objected because of the effect the infrastructure would have on the area. In the end they trunkated it at Malin Bridge.

2 hours ago, AndrewC said:

None of the problems some of you have mentioned above are really insurmountable, in engineering/traffic management terms. They just seem that way.

 

The truth is, once you have the political will to build these kinds of extensions then you find a way. It's more than doable, you just need a local authority/government who want to do it. Yes, funding is an issue, and yes, there are questions about using the cheapest options, but any tram line is expensive...

 

 

The extensions in Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham over the last 10 years had many engineering/traffic management obstacles worse than anything mentioned above.

The Manchester extensions utilise a former railway line, known as the Oldham loop, the track was already there. Very little, if any on street running.

It could possibly be extended Swlalo via the Lincoln line or as we said earlier Stocksbridge. I am not biased as I live nowhere near those places. I would actually benefit from the tram running to places like Fulwood and Crosspool but I can't see it happening.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Irene Swaine

[Planner1]

On 11/10/2023 at 16:29, Bargepole23 said:

It gets round the corner at Glossop Road, likely the tracks under Brookhill rbout could be modified so a tram route turns off up Whitham Rd.

 

A tram up the A6135 past the NG hospital would be a well used route IMO.

It would be much easier ( and less expensive)  to extend up Glossop Road if you wanted to go to Broomhill.

 

That route and a loop out to Ranmoor were consulted on years ago.

[Irene Swaine]

11 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

It would be much easier ( and less expensive)  to extend up Glossop Road if you wanted to go to Broomhill.

 

That route and a loop out to Ranmoor were consulted on years ago.

There have been all sorts of proposals over the years. One was to run the tram to the Hallamshire Hospital. I can see that working, if they used some of the lawn on the front of the hospital to create a tram stop, linking to the Hospital Bus Station. 

 

We do need better transport links in the South West. Coldwell Lane, Lydgate Lane both densely populated and hilly roads with no bus service since the number 2/12 was axed. It's hourly 'round the houses type' services we need in the South West, not so much a tram service, although Ecclesall Road could have scope to join the tram network.