Resolution Foundation. Increase Pensioner Tax

[Guest makapaka]

I think Walkley is one of the more expensive areas in Sheffield nowadays? So not somewhere people on average wage would be looking to buy. Its always been the case some areas go up in price and others down as fashions change.

 

Having said that its still clear overall house to wage ratios are far higher now than they have been in the past. Sheffield is not too bad though - where I grew up (SE) you would be looking at having to pay double what you would pay in Sheffield (hence why I do not live in the SE).

 

I didn't bring Walkley into it - it doesn't matter where we are talking about.

[Ms Macbeth]

One change that's not being mentioned is household composition. In days gone by (please don't yawn) most people bought houses as married couples. More families had a married couple as the adult members. The increase in single person households along with divided families needing two homes has increased demand, which in turn puts house prices up.

[Anna B]

So.. you diasagree with wealth transfer (from yourself) to the less fortunate but are happy to have Corbyn do wealth transfer (from anyone other than yourself) to the less fortunate.

 

Whiffs of hypocrisy. Also isn't socialism great until you run out of someone elses money.

 

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I think it's more "anyone but Corbyn bashing as usual"

 

 

When did I say any of this?

 

We are moving into very different times when much is going to have to change, and everyone is going to have to change with it. Trouble is I don't see any politician really getting to grips with it, and they are way too slow (and late) to act.

 

We need some radical ideas, and fast. Giving millenials 10 grand is just one of them. Several countries are debating things like citizen's income. But money, or the lack of it, is only one of the problems that needs fixing. There are so many in the pipeline it is hard to know where to start. They are all interelated to each other so there needs to be a lot of joined up thinking, long term planning, cross party consultation and expert advisors.

 

Many of these are global issues, so the politicians at the various world conferences need to start earning their money and get to grips with these problems. If they don't, who will?

 

But to be honest I don't hold out much hope of that...

[Obelix]

When did I say any of this?

 

Post #43 Anna - the one I quoted for you so you KNOW where it came from. So why you need to petulantly ask where you said it is beyond me - unless it's your regular diversionary tactic.

 

You bemaon all the costs that you have to bear - thats fine do so if you wish.

 

You then say that St Jezza is going to stick it good to those in the same group and give money to those poor millenials.

 

Thats called having your cake and eating it. As far as I can tell you seem to want the punitive tax rate set to be just above your income level all the time.

 

Like I say - socialism is great till you run out of someone elses money.

[Michael_W]

One change that's not being mentioned is household composition. In days gone by (please don't yawn) most people bought houses as married couples. More families had a married couple as the adult members. The increase in single person households along with divided families needing two homes has increased demand, which in turn puts house prices up.

 

That sort of touches the point I was making in an earlier post, there is an increase in demand for single person households because fewer people are choosing to co habit and share, relationships arguably don't hold together like they used to, which in itself probably makes people wary of making such a big financial commitment together.

 

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Evidence?

 

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Walkley is not a particularly expensive area, it's not crookes, with demand driven by student landlords, it's not dore, totley or ranmore. It's always been a relatively affordable area and one in which many people buy their 1st home.

 

my bold

Ayup Cyclone, I could go googling for relevant backup articles etc and posting the links, should that ever be regarded as evidence is another subject, however I like to think that my experience of life has given me enough insight to voice or post my own opinion, it's something I like to do on here, I'm not a big fan of having to post evidence all the time, it is not a court case it is a discussion forum where people can post (rightly or wrongly) their own opinions

Edited May 11, 2018 by Michael_W

[Anna B]

Post #43 Anna - the one I quoted for you so you KNOW where it came from. So why you need to petulantly ask where you said it is beyond me - unless it's your regular diversionary tactic.

You bemaon all the costs that you have to bear - thats fine do so if you wish.

 

You then say that St Jezza is going to stick it good to those in the same group and give money to those poor millenials.

 

Thats called having your cake and eating it. As far as I can tell you seem to want the punitive tax rate set to be just above your income level all the time.

 

Like I say - socialism is great till you run out of someone elses money.

 

Whoa.

 

Post 43 was a response to Mr M, regarding 'intergenerational conflict,' ie. conflict between baby boomers vs millenials being encouraged by the government. And I was quoting Mariella Frostrup's take on the subject. I was not addressing giving millenials £10,000.

 

I'm a bit sick of you using personal insults such as 'your usual diversionary tactics' without cause.

I have said in the past that I would be willing to pay more tax as long as it is proportionate and everybody pays what they should without recourse to fancy, barely legal, tax dodging schemes.

[Obelix]

Whoa.

 

Post 43 was a response to Mr M, regarding 'intergenerational conflict,' ie. conflict between baby boomers vs millenials being encouraged by the government. And I was quoting Mariella Frostrup's take on the subject. I was not addressing giving millenials £10,000.

 

I'm a bit sick of you using personal insults such as 'your usual diversionary tactics' without cause.

I have said in the past that I would be willing to pay more tax as long as it is proportionate and everybody pays what they should without recourse to fancy, barely legal, tax dodging schemes.

 

Then why are you refering to Frostrusp comments and including yourself Anna...?

 

I'm a bit sick of you never answering the question myself and your personal attacks on people who earn lots of money and as being morally corrupt but you know - I'm nto a snowflake so I just get on with it. Oh and by the way - if it's legal it's not tax dodging. Thats the sort of thing that demeans your comments all the time Anna...

[Anna B]

Then why are you refering to Frostrusp comments and including yourself Anna...?

 

I'm a bit sick of you never answering the question myself and your personal attacks on people who earn lots of money and as being morally corrupt but you know - I'm nto a snowflake so I just get on with it. Oh and by the way - if it's legal it's not tax dodging. Thats the sort of thing that demeans your comments all the time Anna...

 

I did say 'barely legal' and you know what I mean, - Panama papers etc. Imorally contrived tax scenarios that exploit loopholes and ignore the intention of the law used by the super rich. The 'tax is for little people,' 'I pay less tax than my cleaner,' types, and the big multi-national corporations that are helping to cripple this country by not paying their fair share of tax.

 

But maybe you approve of these?

[truman]

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I did say 'barely legal' and you know what I mean, - Panama papers etc. Imorally contrived tax scenarios that exploit loopholes and ignore the intention of the law used by the super rich. The 'tax is for little people,' 'I pay less tax than my cleaner,' types, and the big multi-national corporations that are helping to cripple this country by not paying their fair share of tax.

 

But maybe you approve of these?

 

If it's barely legal then it's legal...maybe a simpler tax system would help..not the 17,000 page goliath it is now..it's a lawyer's paradise..

[Obelix]

No thats not how it works Anna - as has been said before.

 

Theres a point you nned to clear up about your comments above. When you do that - only then I will get round to considering your invidious comments about me approving dodgy tax schemes and will report you as appropriate.