As a Tory voter, are you offended by being called 'Gammon face'?

[tinfoilhat]

3 hours ago, the_bloke said:

No one cares about being called a 'gammon' - do people even say this anymore? - but I still believe it's a derogatory term and if people take offence at similar derogatory slurs based on the colour of someone's skin then they are hypocrites for calling white people 'gammon'. If it doesn't make sense calling a black person 'gammon' then it's clearly a racial slur. Andrew Neil is right.

 

People can't take the moral high ground and act as if they are bastions of moral virtue and above playground name calling, then go around calling people 'gammon' without a whiff of hypocrisy in the air.

Do you not think cleverly is a gammon? Patel is queen of the gammons surely?

[RollingJ]

25 minutes ago, Delbow said:

I'm not sure about this. It refers to men, aged about 40+, with a sense of angry entitlement based on nationalistic jingoism. White men, yes, but only a subset of white people generally. If there is a racist slur that refers to a specific subset of Black or brown people then there would be greater equivalence between the two, but I can't think of any.

Sounds like you're referring to the NF , or whatever umbrella they gather under these day - I'd be careful, if they find you, it may be dangerous.

Edited April 10, 2021 by RollingJ

[the_bloke]

12 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Do you not think cleverly is a gammon? Patel is queen of the gammons surely?

I've never heard anyone call Patel a gammon. I think she takes enough racial abuse from one part of society that deems her being 'too white' and enough from another section of society that deems her 'too brown'.

[Anna B]

It's a quick way of describing a certain demographic, but I'm not sure it's acceptable to be insulting, then again it's never stopped the Tory party.

[RollingJ]

Just now, Anna B said:

It's a quick way of describing a certain demographic, but I'm not sure it's acceptable to be insulting, then again it's never stopped the Tory party.

It's a cheap and nasty attempt at trying to be clever - and failing. Because I can't be bothered to go trawling for the information on such a childish subject, anyone know which 'clever' individual thought the term up?

[hackey lad]

Not bothered at all 

[whiteowl]

37 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

It's a cheap and nasty attempt at trying to be clever - and failing. Because I can't be bothered to go trawling for the information on such a childish subject, anyone know which 'clever' individual thought the term up?

It's not 100% clear but it was used by Dickens in Nicholas Nickelby apparently.

[Mister M]

38 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

It's a cheap and nasty attempt at trying to be clever - and failing. Because I can't be bothered to go trawling for the information on such a childish subject, anyone know which 'clever' individual thought the term up?

Yes, Charles Dickens

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, whiteowl said:

It's not 100% clear but it was used by Dickens in Nicholas Nickelby apparently.

@whiteowl - so whoever 'repurposed' it wasn't even inventive enough not to poach then?

2 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Yes, Charles Dickens

Thanks - and see my answer above.

[El Cid]

7 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Well, @ElCid - I'm what some might call old (I don't see myself as such), I'm definitely to the right of those on the left, have always been opposed to the EU (and its predecessors}. decidedly not racist - I take people as I find them, not based on colour or creed, decidedly not stuck in the past - but prepared to learn from it, and admit it exists, don't drink - so that's a definite no, and don't get angry about insignificant things, or those that I can't change.

 

So where do I fit?😄

BTW - I'm a floating voter - was even stupid enough to vote for Tony Blair, but learnt my lesson there.

People that have a negative view of Tony Blair are generally on the left. He and Maggie were long serving Prime Ministers, so have been endorsed by a majority of people, even though some are vocal against them.

Are you just left of center?