RollingJ Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 minute ago, El Cid said: People that have a negative view of Tony Blair are generally on the left. He and Maggie were long serving Prime Ministers, so have been endorsed by a majority of people, even though some are vocal against them. Are you just left of center? No - I think most people would regard me as 'just right' of centre , if we have to start labelling everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 minute ago, RollingJ said: No - I think most people would regard me as 'just right' of centre , if we have to start labelling everyone. Having a fundamental objection to being in the EU, can be right or left. I was always anti-EU, but when it came to the vote, I decided leaving the EU would change nothing and the risks in leaving was not worth any posible gains. Why would a centrist dislike Tony Blair, the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, El Cid said: Having a fundamental objection to being in the EU, can be right or left. I was always anti-EU, but when it came to the vote, I decided leaving the EU would change nothing and the risks in leaving was not worth any posible gains. Why would a centrist dislike Tony Blair, the war? Fair enough - we'll agree to disagree on the EU question Why did a 'centrist' dislike Tony Blair? The war and associated lies and deceit, and his attitude since 'leaving' politics to increase his already large income - hardly very 'comradely', wouldn't you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Gee Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, RollingJ said: ............. Edited April 10, 2021 by Mister Gee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, RollingJ said: Fair enough - we'll agree to disagree on the EU question Why did a 'centrist' dislike Tony Blair? The war and associated lies and deceit, and his attitude since 'leaving' politics to increase his already large income - hardly very 'comradely', wouldn't you say? A Prime Minister that was not rich, that would be strange. The mega famous can get paid thousands or millions just to endorse a product or give a speech. Again, its rather a left wing trait to be jealous of rich people. I personally would rarely use the word 'comrade', maybe that was just for effect. According to YouGov Profiles, 28% of Britons describe themselves as left-wing and 25% consider themselves right-wing. A further 19% place themselves in the centre and the remaining 29% don’t know. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/14/left-wing-vs-right-wing-its-complicated The bottom one is the most revealing. Edited April 10, 2021 by El Cid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Everyone needs to wake up. the point of view doesn’t have to be left or right. it’s what’s right and wrong. all this gammon/woke/snowflake rubbish is a complete sideshow. WAKE UP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, makapaka said: Everyone needs to wake up. the point of view doesn’t have to be left or right. it’s what’s right and wrong. all this gammon/woke/snowflake rubbish is a complete sideshow. WAKE UP! But "right" could be "Boris is doing his best" to "Boris has acted too slowly, ignored advice and feathered the nests of his friends, and thousands died because of his inactions". Both can't be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: But "right" could be "Boris is doing his best" to "Boris has acted too slowly, ignored advice and feathered the nests of his friends, and thousands died because of his inactions". Both can't be right. But it’s not because one side are gammons and one side are snowflakes. that just plays into their hands. It doesn’t have to be binary. im amazed by the complacency (not yours) but people need to stop calling each other gammons and snowflakes and think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 8 hours ago, El Cid said: A Prime Minister that was not rich, that would be strange. The mega famous can get paid thousands or millions just to endorse a product or give a speech. Again, its rather a left wing trait to be jealous of rich people. I personally would rarely use the word 'comrade', maybe that was just for effect. According to YouGov Profiles, 28% of Britons describe themselves as left-wing and 25% consider themselves right-wing. A further 19% place themselves in the centre and the remaining 29% don’t know. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/14/left-wing-vs-right-wing-its-complicated The bottom one is the most revealing. You conveniently omitted to mention the fact that he was a lying, scheming individual over the war - even denying the evidence of the 'WMD' task force. Agree that 'an ex-PM ' who wasn't rich is a bit strange, as that is the way of the world, but nowhere did I say I was jealous of him, merely that a failure shouldn't really profit from their failures - and that applies to both/all sides. Yes - the 'comrade' comment was for effect - as certain other posters seem too be able to use terms for effect, even if they possibly have no idea what they are talking about. Having created many, many sets of statistics in my working life, and taken part in 'surveys' I view such things with a rather jaundiced eye - you construct the survey in such a way that the respondents are given a 'yes/no' option and the results are then 'weighted' to achieve the desired outcome. 7 hours ago, makapaka said: Everyone needs to wake up. the point of view doesn’t have to be left or right. it’s what’s right and wrong. all this gammon/woke/snowflake rubbish is a complete sideshow. WAKE UP! Agreed - totally. 6 hours ago, tinfoilhat said: But "right" could be "Boris is doing his best" to "Boris has acted too slowly, ignored advice and feathered the nests of his friends, and thousands died because of his inactions". Both can't be right. Agreed again - or they could both be wrong, and the truth somewhere in between. 6 hours ago, makapaka said: But it’s not because one side are gammons and one side are snowflakes. that just plays into their hands. It doesn’t have to be binary. im amazed by the complacency (not yours) but people need to stop calling each other gammons and snowflakes and think. And agreed again - but as I said elsewhere, 'politics' these days is like being in a primary school playground . 9 hours ago, Mister Gee said: Don't have the courage of your convictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delbow Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 13 hours ago, RollingJ said: @whiteowl - so whoever 'repurposed' it wasn't even inventive enough not to poach then? Thanks - and see my answer above. This made me laugh. "Which 'clever' individual came up with 'gammon'"? "Charles Dickens" "****" 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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