Cyclone Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Because it was a self contained 2000 sqare foot floor of a four floor business that had been been occupied on three floors by the landlord, with a further floor let to tenants. The estate agent apportioned current commercial rates charged on a rate per square foot basis. Commercial property is rated on rental value assessed by the rating dept, they assessed that we were paying a third of it’s true value, it had been unoccupied for three years and was in a poor state of decor, they assumed differently. Now please inform me how we failed ‘due diligence’ and/or where the council lied. They re-rated it, and based that on assumptions? Well, I guess that's the problem. I don't really see how they could look at the actual rent you were paying and then declare the true market value to be three times that, preposterous springs to mind. Presumably you challenged this situation and the business rates were adjusted? Perhaps due diligence would include establishing with the council the actual rate that you will pay before signing up to a lease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula4sheff Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 You've described it as awful earlier, which would suggest nothing positive really. ---------- Post added 02-07-2018 at 11:50 ---------- You seem to have 3 main points, shopping, begging and a general feeling of making an effort or vibrancy. There are more shops in Leeds, that's true, the begging appears to my observation to be at least as bad in Leeds if not worse, and I'm not sure how to assess this general feeling of making an effort. Do you think Sheffield city centre is good enough at the moment? Surely you get approached a LOT for money too? My point is - it's in a state. It's absolutely disgraceful that we're in the top four places in England in terms of unused shops, as supposedly a major city. Clearly people are avoiding the centre - questions have to be asked as to why. My suggestion is that the environment is unpleasant. Anecdotally (which admittedly counts for little) I know of so many people, especially those with families, who simply don't bother going there because of begging/spice use and a general feeling that it isn't a pleasant place to be. That's really not good enough. Aside from perhaps the area around Manchester Picadilly, personally I never encounter being asked for money as much as in Sheffield - and as said before, witnessing open drug deals, with children around really isn't what I would want to subject children to. Sure, not everyone has witnessed that -but if I've seen it two or three times, in broad daylight, it's a safe bet many others have too. I know when I reported it, 101 said they had had "a great many complaints" about the issue. I find it tiresome that people assume any criticism of something means you are in some way incapable of seeing positives - there are many. ---------- Post added 02-07-2018 at 12:00 ---------- So the home office data on retail units is your justification for describing the town centre as awful, intimidating, drug ridden etc.... Again - please read the posts you comment on before doing so. Why on earth would the Home Office be compiling figures on retail units?! They're not. Go back and read the posts please. It's pretty ludicrous that you're clearly not reading the things are posting - but still disagreeing with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Do you think Sheffield city centre is good enough at the moment? Surely you get approached a LOT for money too? My point is - it's in a state. It's absolutely disgraceful that we're in the top four places in England in terms of unused shops, as supposedly a major city. Clearly people are avoiding the centre - questions have to be asked as to why. My suggestion is that the environment is unpleasant. Anecdotally (which admittedly counts for little) I know of so many people, especially those with families, who simply don't bother going there because of begging/spice use and a general feeling that it isn't a pleasant place to be. That's really not good enough. Aside from perhaps the area around Manchester Picadilly, personally I never encounter being asked for money as much as in Sheffield - and as said before, witnessing open drug deals, with children around really isn't what I would want to subject children to. Sure, not everyone has witnessed that -but if I've seen it two or three times, in broad daylight, it's a safe bet many others have too. I know when I reported it, 101 said they had had "a great many complaints" about the issue. I find it tiresome that people assume any criticism of something means you are in some way incapable of seeing positives - there are many. ---------- Post added 02-07-2018 at 12:00 ---------- Again - please read the posts you comment on before doing so. Why on earth would the Home Office be compiling figures on retail units?! They're not. Go back and read the posts please. It's pretty ludicrous that you're clearly not reading the things are posting - but still disagreeing with them! I read them - I just forgot where the data came from. Same question applies then - is that what your using as a basis? Yours entitled to criticise of course-and it’s useful when it’s constructive. It’s not constructive to write poems slating the place though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calahonda Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 There are many: the library, winter gardens, city hall, cathedral, crucicible - I'm sure you can add to them. I'm still not sure why saying the city centre is poor, and clearly failing to attract visitors means that it can't have positive bits...... People seem to be ignoring the facts and figures and just going for the "I went on X day and it was alright, so it must be alright" attitude...... They re-rated it, and based that on assumptions? Well, I guess that's the problem. I don't really see how they could look at the actual rent you were paying and then declare the true market value to be three times that, preposterous springs to mind. Presumably you challenged this situation and the business rates were adjusted? Perhaps due diligence would include establishing with the council the actual rate that you will pay before signing up to a lease? Yes we won our case, but at the cost of instructing an independent firm of chartered surveyors, as they refused to deal with us. You are correct about establishing the rate prior to signing the lease, but we would still have needed the services of a chartered surveyor, so same burned as scalded comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula4sheff Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 I read them - I just forgot where the data came from. Same question applies then - is that what your using as a basis? Yours entitled to criticise of course-and it’s useful when it’s constructive. It’s not constructive to write poems slating the place though. You read them, but forgot there were figures...then when reminded there were, and that you'd commented on them previously, thought the Home Office compiled data on retail? Ok...... Well I think the fact that it's got the fourth highest per centage of empty retail units suggests it isn't exactly in rude health, no?! What do you attribute as the reasons for this? I'm suggesting that it's not an especially pleasant place, so isn't attracting people there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 You read them, but forgot there were figures...then when reminded there were, and that you'd commented on them previously, thought the Home Office compiled data on retail? Ok...... Well I think the fact that it's got the fourth highest per centage of empty retail units suggests it isn't exactly in rude health, no?! What do you attribute as the reasons for this? I'm suggesting that it's not an especially pleasant place, so isn't attracting people there. There are loads of reasons http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06186/SN06186.pdf Meadowhall will be another. You haven’t just been talking about empty shops though have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) Do you think Sheffield city centre is good enough at the moment? Surely you get approached a LOT for money too? My point is - it's in a state. It's absolutely disgraceful that we're in the top four places in England in terms of unused shops, as supposedly a major city. Clearly people are avoiding the centre - questions have to be asked as to why. My suggestion is that the environment is unpleasant. Anecdotally (which admittedly counts for little) I know of so many people, especially those with families, who simply don't bother going there because of begging/spice use and a general feeling that it isn't a pleasant place to be. That's really not good enough. Aside from perhaps the area around Manchester Picadilly, personally I never encounter being asked for money as much as in Sheffield - and as said before, witnessing open drug deals, with children around really isn't what I would want to subject children to. Sure, not everyone has witnessed that -but if I've seen it two or three times, in broad daylight, it's a safe bet many others have too. I know when I reported it, 101 said they had had "a great many complaints" about the issue. I find it tiresome that people assume any criticism of something means you are in some way incapable of seeing positives - there are many. ---------- Post added 02-07-2018 at 12:00 ---------- Again - please read the posts you comment on before doing so. Why on earth would the Home Office be compiling figures on retail units?! They're not. Go back and read the posts please. It's pretty ludicrous that you're clearly not reading the things are posting - but still disagreeing with them! I've lived in Manchester, Leeds as well as Sheffield, and I encountered less beggars in Sheffield than in the other 2 cities. I certainly feel safer in Sheffield, though that's subjective as is what someone thinks as pleasant Edited July 2, 2018 by Mister M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodmally Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 I've lived in Manchester, Leeds as well as Sheffield, and I encountered less beggars in Sheffield than in the other 2 cities. I certainly feel safer in Sheffield, though that's subjective as is what someone thinks as pleasant The annoying thing about begging and spice in Sheffield though is its so blatant. There is support available but because they can earn money begging they dont take that support. Here is one example of this: https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/banned-sheffield-beggar-returned-to-prison-after-breaching-court-order-1-9090214 If you walk up High Street in Sheffield its a gauntlet. The only ones I dont have a problem with anymore are the Jehovah's Witnesses (they just stand there discretely with their stand.) You start at Mcdonalds and face beggars, chuggers, beggars, socialist never workers, beggars and every so often the Vegans showing images of animals being killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_N Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 The annoying thing about begging and spice in Sheffield though is its so blatant. There is support available but because they can earn money begging they dont take that support. Here is one example of this: https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/banned-sheffield-beggar-returned-to-prison-after-breaching-court-order-1-9090214 If you walk up High Street in Sheffield its a gauntlet. The only ones I dont have a problem with anymore are the Jehovah's Witnesses (they just stand there discretely with their stand.) You start at Mcdonalds and face beggars, chuggers, beggars, socialist never workers, beggars and every so often the Vegans showing images of animals being killed. Don't forget the tree huggers too! :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodmally Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Don't forget the tree huggers too! :hihi: They are quite infrequent now to be honest a bit like the vegans. They pop up every now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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