pss60 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Exactly my point - so why are peoplr saying the same things are a reason to avoid sheffield city centre specifically? What they're saying is that other cities like Leeds and Manchester have more to offer, and actually feel like vibrant cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula4sheff Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Exactly my point - so why are peoplr saying the same things are a reason to avoid sheffield city centre specifically? Because the problems aren't as bad in many other city centres, making them massively more pleasant to visit. Go back as little as five years ago - Sheffield City Centre had a fraction of the issues it does now. The problems with antisocial behaviour etc. have been allowed to grow and grow, and people see them, so avoid them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pss60 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Because the problems aren't as bad in many other city centres, making them massively more pleasant to visit. Go back as little as five years ago - Sheffield City Centre had a fraction of the issues it does now. The problems with antisocial behaviour etc. have been allowed to grow and grow, and people see them, so avoid them. Every city has had that problem over the last five or six years. Back in 2010, you rarely saw any street beggars, now they seem to be all over wherever you go. Austerity and police cuts have led to this problem mushrooming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula4sheff Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) What they're saying is that other cities like Leeds and Manchester have more to offer, and actually feel like vibrant cities. Exactly. And there are many reasons for this - but at the root of them all lies the notion that they are much more pleasant to visit. A visit to Sheffield city centre consists of being asked for money 15 or so times, watching a bit of drug dealing going on, seeing a few people collapsed or staggering around like zombies, and feeling utterly depressed at the state of the city you call home. Why would you want to subject yourself to all that, let alone a family with small children? I don't think it's too outrageous to expect a little more from a city centre, personally. You can guarantee that if the Centre was more pleasant, more people would be spending their money there. People are voting with their feet. ---------- Post added 11-06-2018 at 16:01 ---------- Every city has had that problem over the last five or six years. Back in 2010, you rarely saw any street beggars, now they seem to be all over wherever you go. Austerity and police cuts have led to this problem mushrooming. Very true - a sad sign of the times - but Sheffield has let these problems infest the city centre to a point where it has become a major problem to both businesses and members of the public. When you've got open drug dealing, on a busy street in the middle of the afternoon, with no attempt to conceal what is going on - you've got a problem. Edited June 11, 2018 by paula4sheff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Exactly. And there are many reasons for this - but at the root of them all lies the notion that they are much more pleasant to visit. A visit to Sheffield city centre consists of being asked for money 15 or so times, watching a bit of drug dealing going on, seeing a few people collapsed or staggering around like zombies, and feeling utterly depressed at the state of the city you call home. Why would you want to subject yourself to all that, let alone a family with small children? I don't think it's too outrageous to expect a little more from a city centre, personally. You can guarantee that if the Centre was more pleasant, more people would be spending their money there. People are voting with their feet. ---------- Post added 11-06-2018 at 16:01 ---------- Very true - a sad sign of the times - but Sheffield has let these problems infest the city centre to a point where it has become a major problem to both businesses and members of the public. When you've got open drug dealing, on a busy street in the middle of the afternoon, with no attempt to conceal what is going on - you've got a problem. I'd be interested to know why the police don't arrest them, if its so openly going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pss60 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 I'd be interested to know why the police don't arrest them, if its so openly going on. They're not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula4sheff Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 I'd be interested to know why the police don't arrest them, if its so openly going on. They've got to see it! And to see it, they've got to be there! As it's going on so openly, and with so much confidence, I'd imagine there is very little fear of arrest or apprehension being felt. You can see them queuing up at certain times by the benches outside the cathedral - it's as open now as the ice cream van over the road! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 They've got to see it! And to see it, they've got to be there! As it's going on so openly, and with so much confidence, I'd imagine there is very little fear of arrest or apprehension being felt. You can see them queuing up at certain times by the benches outside the cathedral - it's as open now as the ice cream van over the road! I do know someone who got chatting to one of them around 6 months ago, They claimed the police basically have authorised them to carry on doing it. Which I find hard to believe to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula4sheff Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 I do know someone who got chatting to one of them around 6 months ago, They claimed the police basically have authorised them to carry on doing it. Which I find hard to believe to be honest. I'll go one step further, and suggest it's impossible to believe that the police have authorized drug dealing in the city centre! It's highly likely though that due to the state of the city centre, and the lack of anti-social behaviour being policed, that certain drug dealers now believe this to be the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinTreeS7 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Well I've lived in Sheffield for 18 years so I feel qualified to comment .... In the last 5 years or so I've noticed the city centre take a distinct turn for the worse in the case of the number of homeless/druggies/beggars/dealers circulating - especially in the region of West St/Division St and all down the length from Devonshire Green to the bottom of the moor - someone said that a lot more of them are now housed by the council in the latter stretch - any connection? I personally used to enjoy going out of an evening in town but now I wouldnt be seen dead in the city centre after 6pm any evening - in fact I've sometimes been brazenly approached in broad daylight before that time by people trying to harrass me for money for drugs or trying to peddle things - its abominable now and gotten right out of hand ... other city centres surely can't be this bad can they ? I know we are struggling with police cutbacks at the moment and now we seem to be reaping the "benefits" of this and the councils new housing policy .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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