hobinfoot Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Not really a reasonable argument as even during the referendum campaign, both sides agreed that it was much easier to motivate people to vote to change something than vote to leave things as they are. This is borne out in a number of post-referendum polls of those who abstained, where not only did remainers outnumber leave voters by two to one but if only 50% of those abstainers had turned out on the day, remain would have won by a margin of about four million votes. Whichever way you look at it, the majority of adults in the UK have never supported leaving the EU either in 2016 or now. Trying to claim that they do simply on a narrow advantage in a non binding vote where not everyone voted, is fraudulent. You maybe right but elections or referendums are decided by a majority of those who voted. The ones who didn't vote may regret not taking part but that doesn't change the outcome. If we go down the path of wishing I'd voted because I don't like the result then it would make a mockery of any election we have. because if we now have another vote then any future election could be argued that it's not legitimate because not everyone took part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 With a very close vote you do. Democracies all over the world where a general election produces an inconclusive result will usually see another election within months of the first, once it becomes obvious that normal government is impossible. This is no different. Yes it is. There is nothing "inconclusive" about it for a start. In this instance there was only two options on the table. The vote was simple. Leave OR remain. The higher total of those eligible and/or could be bothered to go out and vote went to the leave side. Narrow as the result might have been - that is still a win. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 You maybe right but elections or referendums are decided by a majority of those who voted. The ones who didn't vote may regret not taking part but that doesn't change the outcome. If we go down the path of wishing I'd voted because I don't like the result then it would make a mockery of any election we have. because if we now have another vote then any future election could be argued that it's not legitimate because they not everyone took part. The difference is the time scale..GEs are every 5 years..what about referenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 The difference is the time scale..GEs are every 5 years..what about referenda? As and when there is sufficient public demand for one and an issue which is of significant interest and importance for one. The Governement at that stage may deem it appropriate. There isn't any at the moment. The only people who seem to be demanding one are the people who lost the referendum about something which we have not even left yet. What do you want the government to do? Have a referendum about re-joining the EU before we have even completed the leaving process?? Dont think that makes a mockery of the system a bit. Look, I was as shocked as anyone that we were leaving and certainly didn't vote for it. But, I am also a fully grown adult who understands that we have a democracy. The majority of the voters decided leave. Those who didn't lost. Those who failed to vote at all have no argument. That's how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 As and when there is sufficient public demand for one and an issue which is of significant interest and importance for one. The Governement at that stage may deem it appropriate. There isn't any at the moment. The only people who seem to be demanding one are the people who lost the referendum about something which we have not even left yet. What do you want the government to do? Have a referendum about re-joining the EU before we have even completed the leaving process?? Dont think that makes a mockery of the system a bit. Look, I was as shocked as anyone that we were leaving and certainly didn't vote for it. But, I am also a fully grown adult who understands that we have a democracy. The majority of the voters decided leave. Those who didn't lost. Those who failed to vote at all have no argument. That's how it works. Why would people who voted "leave" want another one? "Those who didn't lost" you said... as far as I can see we're all going to lose...unless you can show some figures that show we'll be better off than if we stayed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dromedary Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 With a very close vote you do. This is no different. Yes it is. Name another UK GE that has been re-run because of a close vote? Even with a hung Parliament and small majority its usual to do a deal and the latest one is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Yes it is. Name another UK GE that has been re-run because of a close vote? Even with a hung Parliament and small majority its usual to do a deal and the latest one is no different. Happened in 70s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGELFIRE1 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Anybody who is affected by this nonsense counts, whether you like it or not. Whichever way you look at the figures, in 2016 the majority of people in the UK did not want to leave the EU and in 2018 that majority is even bigger. The fact that leave supporters are terrified of another vote means that they know that clinging on to the discredited vote in 2016 is the only way to achieve their ambitions. I bow to your psychic powers. I can only argue with the facts given. One million more voted leave than remain. Democracy in action, get over it, we are leaving - fact. Stomping your plates of meat in temper will make no difference to the result. Angel1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I bow to your psychic powers. I can only argue with the facts given. One million more voted leave than remain. Democracy in action, get over it, we are leaving - fact. Stomping your plates of meat in temper will make no difference to the result. Angel1. Ahh, but once again you fail to understand statistics. More people did not vote the leave (remain + non-voters) than did vote to leave (leavers) which is what the original poster's contention was. I would now remind you of David Davis' comment - "a democracy is not a democracy if you cannot change your mind" - we don't appear to be being given the chance to change our minds once we have seen what is actually on offer (not that this incompetent government have actually got anything to offer us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Arctor Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Well, good job Theresa May called that snap election to strengthen her hand in the negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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