ez8004 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) Jaguar landrover warn brexit could hit UK investment https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44719656 JLR and my extension Tata have history in putting money where their mouth is. The £80bn being mentioned isn’t just a number pulled out of thin air, they really do have the finances to do this. If this isn’t terrifying the Midlands, I don’t know what will. But at least we can keep the foreigners out right? In the words of Boris Johnson, “<removed> business” Edited July 5, 2018 by nikki-red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) JLR and my extension Tata have history in putting money where their mouth is. The £80bn being mentioned isn’t just a number pulled out of thin air, they really do have the finances to do this. If this isn’t terrifying the Midlands, I don’t know what will. But at least we can keep the foreigners out right? In the words of Boris Johnson, “<removed> business” It’s not “the Midlands” which this announcement needs to terrify. Not even your baseline Brexiteers, either. It’s the government, May in particular. And pensioners, whose well-being (low cost of living, free healthcare, etc) relies wholly on a healthy and growing economy. But objectively, there’s been “Project Truth Fear” before the referendum, and countless similar warnings (by industry and collective bodies) since, besides statistical indicators all attesting to stalling economy and FDI. So your chances of anyone being terrified by this latest announcement are...not a lot. Tomorrow is make-or-break for May. If she fudges between both sides (again), you’re in for a hard Brexit. If she pacifies hardliners more, you’re in for a hard Brexit. If she pacifies softliners more, she’s in for the chop and you’re likely to get a hardliner PM (Corbyn or Gove or...)...and you’re in for a hard Brexit. Can’t see this ending well, whichever way it pans out. Edited July 5, 2018 by nikki-red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I’d give this advice to everyone, remainers or Brexiter. If you can organise citizenship of an EU country, or need to formalise your right to stay in the U.K. then do it now. You have almost run out of time. If there is a hard Brexit then issues around residency and citizenship status will be weaponised. You could face terrible problems later. In my family’s experience (applying for a British passport for my wife who is technically but not obviously a British citizen) the British system has already become festooned with staff very very aggressively applying policy guidelines. It has been tough. There is also significant contingency planning at many companies we work with now around citizenship, residency, visas etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) If there is a hard Brexit then issues around residency and citizenship status will be weaponised. You could face terrible problems later.They’ve been officially weaponised since the referendum by Liam Fox, amongst others. With the tacit consent of Parliament. Signed: an (ex) “negotiation chip”. My own advice to those concerned is, take whatever formalisation you (anyone) end up doing, as worth about as much as the next immigrant-bashing populist trash in the tabloids, which equates to the next policy u-turn in the name of self-interest by government ministers, who now enjoy significant (‘Henry VIII’) powers over Parliament after MPs voted the EU withdrawal act through (they’ve “taken back control” alright ). Commonsensically, “one in the hand, two in the bush” and all that. It’s only your life and your future, after all Edited July 5, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Should be an interesting meeting of Ministers at Chequers tomorrow. How long can May try to unite a Cabinet which is virtually in open rebellion with the whip hand with the hard liners who think that they have the backing of the electorate. Misguided fools! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Should be an interesting meeting of Ministers at Chequers tomorrow. How long can May try to unite a Cabinet which is virtually in open rebellion with the whip hand with the hard liners who think that they have the backing of the electorate. Misguided fools! Definite change in tone on Question Time tonight. Kings Lynn is normally shouty Brexiter central. 66% voted leave in the referendum. I think the reality is starting to hit home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) Definite change in tone on Question Time tonight. Kings Lynn is normally shouty Brexiter central. 66% voted leave in the referendum. I think the reality is starting to hit home. it was strange, however so was the makeup of the panel, cannot help feel auntie BBC was at work again Edited July 5, 2018 by phil752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Jaguar landrover warn brexit could hit UK investment https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44719656 Yes, but it's obviously the fault of the EU for not rolling over to our have cake and eat it demands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 it was strange, however so was the makeup of the panel, cannot help feel auntie BBC was at work again The BBC has consistently given a QT platform to Brexiters for years. The audience has also been well balanced to the point where audience participation has been weighted heavily pro-leave. That was a core Brexit area, there were plenty of Brexiters in the audience and Patel was on the panel. Patel was torn apart by the panelists and the audience. She has no cogent arguments and the Brexiters in the audience were subdued. The game is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Definite change in tone on Question Time tonight. Kings Lynn is normally shouty Brexiter central. 66% voted leave in the referendum. I think the reality is starting to hit home. I know that's it's not scientific but it is an interesting indicator. I noticed that during the last QT where the normal 'shoutiness' of the Brexiteers is noticeable by its absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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