Top Cats Hat Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I've always said that I'm not a big fan of a second referendum as I don't believe that it is necessary. People will still bitch and moan, whatever the result. It is pretty much accepted now that leaving the EU will harm the UK for years to come. A responsible government, either Labour or the Tories, should just sack off Brexit while we still have the current EU deal and get on with running the country. It isn't as though there isn't loads that needs doing. Yes, half the country will be really upset but so what? Half the country are going to be upset whichever way the cookie crumbles so we might as well not wreck the economy as well as **** people off. If we continued with this train wreck the Brexiters will be upset anyway when they realise that immigration will not come down and may even go up so they will be saved the heartache. We are not at war but we are pretty close to that kind of existential danger. We really need some grown up responsible politicians to take a brave step and for god's sake stop trying to please everyone which is no longer possible. Sack off Brexit now and the leave supporters can just suck it up. It is time we stopped letting them hold the country to ransom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Well, it looks like Boris has finally got of his arse and put a plan together - Canada plus. Tariff free, but it doesn't sort the Irish border problem out and it leaves key industries exposed. The Tory faithful will like it, the eu will probably go for it, but is it sensible? Any deal is more sensible than this. Even Canada minus, if it went down to that. According to today’s ONS figures, your manufacturing sector is in recession, by the way (2nd consecutive quarter of contraction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I've always said that I'm not a big fan of a second referendum as I don't believe that it is necessary. People will still bitch and moan, whatever the result. It is pretty much accepted now that leaving the EU will harm the UK for years to come. A responsible government, either Labour or the Tories, should just sack off Brexit while we still have the current EU deal and get on with running the country. It isn't as though there isn't loads that needs doing. Yes, half the country will be really upset but so what? Half the country are going to be upset whichever way the cookie crumbles so we might as well not wreck the economy as well as **** people off. If we continued with this train wreck the Brexiters will be upset anyway when they realise that immigration will not come down and may even go up so they will be saved the heartache. We are not at war but we are pretty close to that kind of existential danger. We really need some grown up responsible politicians to take a brave step and for god's sake stop trying to please everyone which is no longer possible. Sack off Brexit now and the leave supporters can just suck it up. It is time we stopped letting them hold the country to ransom! Your views are dangerously irresponsible. You are advocating that three Parliamentary votes (a vote to hold the 2016 referendum, another to invoke Article 50 and another for the European Union Withdrawal Bill) which passed through Parliament and have become law, be ignored. This would set an extremely dangerous precedent for our democracy. To ignore legislation simply because one dislikes it is the trait of a tyrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Your views are dangerously irresponsible. You are advocating that three Parliamentary votes (a vote to hold the 2016 referendum, another to invoke Article 50 and another for the European Union Withdrawal Bill) which passed through Parliament and have become law, be ignored. This would set an extremely dangerous precedent for our democracy. To ignore legislation simply because one dislikes it is the trait of a tyrant. Idiocy is NOT democracy They just both happen to end in CY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 You are advocating that three Parliamentary votes (a vote to hold the 2016 referendum, another to invoke Article 50 and another for the European Union Withdrawal Bill) which passed through Parliament and have become law, be ignored. Repealed, not ignored. You seem to struggle with the idea that people and governments can change their minds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Your views are dangerously irresponsible. You are advocating that three Parliamentary votes (a vote to hold the 2016 referendum, another to invoke Article 50 and another for the European Union Withdrawal Bill) which passed through Parliament and have become law, be ignored. This would set an extremely dangerous precedent for our democracy. To ignore legislation simply because one dislikes it is the trait of a tyrant. Surely he's advocating that parliament simply take another vote and then change the law. That's the prerogative of parliament. No act of parliament can bind them to anything in the future, the nature of sovereignty and democracy is the ability to change our and their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 ...blah blah blah... So what WOULD you accept as proof? ---------- Post added 28-09-2018 at 17:48 ---------- Your views are dangerously irresponsible. You are advocating that three Parliamentary votes (a vote to hold the 2016 referendum, another to invoke Article 50 and another for the European Union Withdrawal Bill) which passed through Parliament and have become law, be ignored. This would set an extremely dangerous precedent for our democracy. To ignore legislation simply because one dislikes it is the trait of a tyrant. You were quite happy for the European Communities Act to be repealed - nothing to stop another Act being repealed. Or don't you like how democracy works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Any deal is more sensible than this. Even Canada minus, if it went down to that. According to today’s ONS figures, your manufacturing sector is in recession, by the way (2nd consecutive quarter of contraction). If we do a Canada deal I expect it to get alot worse than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 According to today’s ONS figures, your manufacturing sector is in recession, by the way (2nd consecutive quarter of contraction). Can not see that on the BBC web site! Oil prices have hit a four-year high and the pound fall against the dollar, you would think a manufacturing recession would make it a hat-trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 So what WOULD you accept as proof? ---------- Post added 28-09-2018 at 17:48 ---------- You were quite happy for the European Communities Act to be repealed - nothing to stop another Act being repealed. Or don't you like how democracy works? Not EU democracy , NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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