melthebell Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Mmm, not quite what you said. It's actually investing another 250million in the plant and employing another 400 people to bring the new Corolla car online here... they buy parts just as they need em, they get delivered from europe and go straight into the cars. With delays cos of brexit that wont work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobinfoot Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 the tories will sign a trade deal which will allow the US to pick apart the NHS once we leave the EU. No government will sign a deal that will end up dismantling the NHS if any did they would be wiped out and be out of power for generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 No government will sign a deal that will end up dismantling the NHS if any did they would be wiped out and be out of power for generations. Surely that depends on how gullible the people are when you try to explain it away as something else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Heidi Allen is the latest Conservative MP to back a second referendum because the right wing of the party .John Major speaks out against those seeking to scupper Theresa May. Us Remainers may yet get our way,because any middle ground is unsatisfactory to almost everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) Heidi Allen is the latest Conservative MP to back a second referendum because the right wing of the party .John Major speaks out against those seeking to scupper Theresa May. Us Remainers may yet get our way,because any middle ground is unsatisfactory to almost everybody. Of course it is. The referendum was clear - do we want to be in or out? Not 'do we want to try a little bit of both, chosing just the best bits.' (Not possible as Theresa May has found out.) Or 'do we want a bad deal with just what the EU decide to begrudgingly give us..' (which suits no-one.) In fact the only option that hasn't been tried is the Out with no deal option. Now I'm not saying this would be best, or even possible, but I do liken it to any divorce. It's incredibly scarey at the time, not being sure what's going to happen, or what the future holds, then there's all the agro of having to divide up the home and family, and all the assetts. Awfully Traumatic. But in the end after the dust settles, most people go on to a better future. Whether it was all worth it, depends on how bad the marriage was in the first place. I don't think another referendum in the middle of proceedings is going to help. Edited September 29, 2018 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 The NHS was around long before we got involved this European farce. Leaving it now, however has risks. Giving the current government a carte blanche in the trade of goods and services, means allowing them to negotiate trade deals in a post eu reality. American companies are salivating at the thought of all these state sectors ripe for the plucking. Have a read of this and tell me what you think? https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/ideal-us-uk-free-trade-agreement-executive-summary-update.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 [/b] Of course it is. The referendum was clear - do we want to be in or out? Not 'do we want to try a little bit of both, chosing just the best bits.' (Not possible as Theresa May has found out.) Or 'do we want a bad deal with just what the EU decide to begrudgingly give us..' (which suits no-one.) In fact the only option that hasn't been tried is the Out with no deal option. Now I'm not saying this would be best, or even possible, but I do liken it to any divorce. It's incredibly scarey at the time, not being sure what's going to happen, or what the future holds, then there's all the agro of having to divide up the home and family, and all the assetts. Awfully Traumatic. But in the end after the dust settles, most people go on to a better future. Whether it was all worth it, depends on how bad the marriage was in the first place. I don't think another referendum in the middle of proceedings is going to help. You’re are pretty deluded if you think the referendum was simply about in or out. You know there were plenty of leavers like Daniel Hannan who were saying we should have a Norway or Switzerland style of relationship with the EU. Doesn’t sound like being completely out to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 [/b] Of course it is. The referendum was clear - do we want to be in or out? Not 'do we want to try a little bit of both, chosing just the best bits.' (Not possible as Theresa May has found out.) Or 'do we want a bad deal with just what the EU decide to begrudgingly give us..' (which suits no-one.) In fact the only option that hasn't been tried is the Out with no deal option. Now I'm not saying this would be best, or even possible, but I do liken it to any divorce. It's incredibly scarey at the time, not being sure what's going to happen, or what the future holds, then there's all the agro of having to divide up the home and family, and all the assetts. Awfully Traumatic. But in the end after the dust settles, most people go on to a better future. Whether it was all worth it, depends on how bad the marriage was in the first place. I don't think another referendum in the middle of proceedings is going to help. We are going out of the EU with a Tory government (who could take a big lurch to the right) with 4 years in the bank, not some socialist utopia on the horizon. You've hammered the working class by voting leave and you can't even see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 It's incredibly scarey at the time, not being sure what's going to happen, or what the future holds, then there's all the agro of having to divide up the home and family, and all the assetts. Awfully Traumatic. But in the end after the dust settles, most people go on to a better future. If you want to experiment with the future and bankrupt yourself and your family in the process, I suggest you find some small island in the Pacific Ocean to carry out your experiments. I have never given you or anyone else permission to bankrupt me, my friends and my family! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45693341 This is going to be too high a price to pay. Brexit will be cancelled at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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