ads36 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 woodview That's not true, because only 10 states are net contributors, the other 18 are net recipents. i'm not sure you understand what the word 'net' means... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 I didn't say they did. The poster just said it would be our 4th EU referendum, it wouldn't be, we've had one to join the EEC, one to leave the EU. Some other countries voted on Lisbon and Masstricht and enlargement, which were major changes to the organisation we joined. By saying in #4082 that our governments at the time "didn't bother" kind of implies many others did bother - which they obviously didn't - one for Lisbon, four for Maastricht. Glad we've cleared that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 i'm not sure you understand what the word 'net' means... Or maybe you don't? We pay in more than we receive back. Others receive back more than they pay in. We are net contributors, they are net recipients. So it is impossible for us to be the lowest payer, based on population or gdp, a sthe other poster made out. https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-one-biggest-contributors-eu-budget/ Can you clarify what you think is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 A bit of essential reading that wouldn’t hurt some posters. Sobering. And one of the main reasons why there isn’t going to be another referendum or a GE before March’19. Assuming an accidental crash-out doesn’t happen, MPs will vote the “Canada” deal through. So will the EU Parliament and the rest of the democratic chambers across the EU. Give it 10 years, maybe even less, and most of the benefits of EU membership enjoyed by the British people and economy as a matter of course for the past 4 decades, will have completely faded from collective memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dromedary Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 We only had one in '75 to join the EEC and one in 2016 to leave the EU. Other countries had them on EU enlargement, Maastricht, Lisbon etc our governments of the time didn't bother. Just to correct bothe of you we have never had a referendum to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just to correct bothe of you we have never had a referendum to join. We had a referendum to support, or not , staying in the EEC in '75... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just to correct bothe of you we have never had a referendum to join. Looked it up, you are quite right. Our applications to join were vetoed by France ( ! ) in 1963 and 1967. We Joined in 1973, with a referendum following in 1975, to approve retaining membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteowl Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Looked it up, you are quite right. Our applications to join were vetoed by France ( ! ) in 1963 and 1967. We Joined in 1973, with a referendum following in 1975, to approve retaining membership. Yes, quite correct - my mistake. Still, it makes it 1-1 so best of 3 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The key word is 'export' and Germany are an export nation unlike the UK which is an import nation. Germany have been rubbing their hands at the UK's expense for many years especially after the EU expanded to give Germany more tariff free export markets. Germany are the biggest contributor to the EU budget, but it is good value for them because they benefit from a big trade surplus. However, the UK are one of the biggest contributors to the budget, but because the UK have such a massive trade deficit with the EU, the UK contributions are far from good value for money Really? Let's see your working out, imports/exports, goods, services, contributions etc. Not sure what point you are trying to make because balance of trade figures include both goods and services. It's a fact both Germany and the UK are both big net contributors to the EU budget. It's a fact Germany have a big balance of trade surplus with other EU members, but the UK have a big balance of trade deficit with other EU members. I want to see your working out to support your claim below, figures would be nice, don't forget to include services too. "Germany have been rubbing their hands at the UK's expense for many years especially after the EU expanded to give Germany more tariff free export markets. Germany are the biggest contributor to the EU budget, but it is good value for them because they benefit from a big trade surplus. However, the UK are one of the biggest contributors to the budget, but because the UK have such a massive trade deficit with the EU, the UK contributions are far from good value for money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 We had a referendum to support, or not , staying in the EEC in '75... With 67% voting to stay in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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