The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[woodview]

Oh? So, er...what do you call politically-expedient subversion of law enforcement?

 

(As a by-the-way: the U.K. is still a constitutional monarchy, last time I checked)

 

I know we are a constitutional monarchy.

But are you saying the Police not doing this checking - probably another funding infringement, is equivalent to the Spanish authoritarian clampdown, and crushing of the Catalan referendum? I think they are slightly different........

[I1L2T3]

I don't think it's anyone's democratic right to be allowed a referendum. However, if a referendum is authorised for whatever reasons, then the result should be respected and the outcome implemented.

 

The result has been respected. We’ve spent 2 years trying to implement based on that. It can’t sensibly be done in a way that pleases everyone (and that’s just on the leave side) given the position of the various interests within the U.K.

 

Based on that the democratic people deserve a say on what is actually agreed. If the referendum had said in 2016 just implement anything as long as it’s Brexit nobody would have accepted it.

[Lockdoctor]

The result has been respected. We’ve spent 2 years trying to implement based on that. It can’t sensibly be done in a way that pleases everyone (and that’s just on the leave side) given the position of the various interests within the U.K.

 

Based on that the democratic people deserve a say on what is actually agreed. If the referendum had said in 2016 just implement anything as long as it’s Brexit nobody would have accepted it.

You're spouting utter dishonest nonsense. During the last two years those who don't respect the democratic decision made by the UK people have been prolific at attempting to block the decision the democratic UK people made. The only people who deserve a say in how the UK exit the EU are the democratic people who voted to leave the EU, who were on the winning side of the democratic vote. As the democratic EU referendum was conducted by secret ballot,there is no way of verifying the democratic people who voted to leave the EU, so it is up to Parliament to either accept the agreement our Government make with the EU or reject the deal, meaning the UK leave the EU without a trade deal.

[tinfoilhat]

In other news the government are running overnight tests for weeks at a time, to test using the M26 as a car park (well lorry park).

 

No-deal Brexit planning shuts M26 overnight http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45827197

[Cyclone]

You're spouting utter dishonest nonsense. During the last two years those who don't respect the democratic decision made by the UK people have been prolific at attempting to block the decision the democratic UK people made. The only people who deserve a say in how the UK exit the EU are the democratic people who voted to leave the EU, who were on the winning side of the democratic vote. As the democratic EU referendum was conducted by secret ballot,there is no way of verifying the democratic people who voted to leave the EU, so it is up to Parliament to either accept the agreement our Government make with the EU or reject the deal, meaning the UK leave the EU without a trade deal.

 

Your so scared of a second referendum overturning the result that you'd say literally anything to stop it happening.

[woodview]

Currently, a more likely scenario is this.

A deal is struck which gives reasonable trade access. The deal solves the bulk of the worst no-deal outcomes feared. We agree to a pretty simple EU work visa system. Planes keep flying, business runs as normal, goods flow well.

Do labour and DUP try to scupper a deal that is in most likelihood the best compromise available?

If Labour do that with the aim of forcing a GE, will they do ok in it, or suffer a backlash from middle of the road Labour supporters?

[Lockdoctor]

Your so scared of a second referendum overturning the result that you'd say literally anything to stop it happening.

Stop being such a drama Queen. There was nothing to be scared about regarding either of the two options, which the democratic people were asked to choose from on the EU referendum ballot paper. There is no Father Christmas and there will be no second referendum. Perhaps, it's time you grew up.

 

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Currently, a more likely scenario is this.

A deal is struck which gives reasonable trade access. The deal solves the bulk of the worst no-deal outcomes feared. We agree to a pretty simple EU work visa system. Planes keep flying, business runs as normal, goods flow well.

Do labour and DUP try to scupper a deal that is in most likelihood the best compromise available?

If Labour do that with the aim of forcing a GE, will they do ok in it, or suffer a backlash from middle of the road Labour supporters?

It's very hard for Labour or the DUP to force a General Election as a consequence of the fixed term Parliament legislation, which was introduced by the David Cameron/Nick Clegg coalition. There needs to be two thirds of MPs in order to force a General Election. When Mrs May called a General Election last year both the Conservative party and Labour party supported the snap General Election, which wont be the case anytime before the UK leave the EU next March.

[Top Cats Hat]

 

If Labour do that with the aim of forcing a GE, will they do ok in it, or suffer a backlash from middle of the road Labour supporters?

 

It might suffer a backlash from right wing Labour supporters but given that the vast majority of Labour supporters voted remain, that backlash will be minimised and probably offset by some remain Tories, Lib Dems and Greens.

 

In terms of a general election, Brexit supporting Labour voters may have voted in large numbers in certain constituencies (Sunderland, Ebbw Vale etc.) but those constituencies were relatively few and those Labour votes are very likely to go to a revitalised UKIP rather than the Tories who will be seen to have sold out Brexit every bit as much as Labour.

[Litotes]

There is no Father Christmas and there will be no second referendum. Perhaps, it's time you grew up.

 

Perhaps the government should respect the right of the majority now who are asking for a second referendum?

[woodview]

It might suffer a backlash from right wing Labour supporters but given that the vast majority of Labour supporters voted remain, that backlash will be minimised and probably offset by some remain Tories, Lib Dems and Greens.

 

In terms of a general election, Brexit supporting Labour voters may have voted in large numbers in certain constituencies (Sunderland, Ebbw Vale etc.) but those constituencies were relatively few and those Labour votes are very likely to go to a revitalised UKIP rather than the Tories who will be seen to have sold out Brexit every bit as much as Labour.

To an extent. But would the mix be: all tories stay tory, labour lose 'Sunderlands' and quite a few others to tories or ukip (??) . Still means Labour get a reduced tally.

Personally, I think the backlash would be strong. Breaking a 'reasonable' deal in the commons for political games would be very unpopular imo.