truman Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 But the Lib Dems stood on an anti-Brexit ticket and support for them was laughable. You are wrong when you say that the majority of Labour supporters are remainers. The majority of Labour supporters at the conference are remainers, but not of Labour voters. Northern towns that voted leave, they are traditional Labour heartlands. Have a look here https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/ and make your own conclusions after seeing the facts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 No I’m not spouting nonsense. You want any old Brexit, as long as it’s Brexit, regardless of the consequences. The democratic people deserve better than to have those like yourself working against their interests. Any Brexit deal should respect the referendum result and the wishes of the democratic people, who voted to leave the EU. The most likely outcome is the whole of the UK will stay in the customs union for at least a year after the UK leave the EU. I am not working against anyone, but unlike you, I respect the democratic referendum result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Any Brexit deal should respect the referendum result and the wishes of the democratic people, who voted to leave the EU. They didn't! Only 38% voted to leave. The vast majority didn't. That's why this is such a mess. There is no popular backing for it and it is being driven by a shouty minority. That is why you are so terrified of a second referendum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 A free trade deal won't damage the poorest. I'd be interested how Labour can justifiable oppose that. doesn't that depend on just what the terms of the deal are? if one of the consequences of the deal is to make it cheaper to manufacture some things in the other place than the uk wont that have an adverse effect on some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 doesn't that depend on just what the terms of the deal are? if one of the consequences of the deal is to make it cheaper to manufacture some things in the other place than the uk wont that have an adverse effect on some? That was my gut feeling to be honest but I wasn't sure if I was over simplifying it. Manufacturing is bound to take a big big hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Have a look here https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/ and make your own conclusions after seeing the facts.. And it's clear that no one actually knows. https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/ YouGov based it's figures on a poll of 5500 people. Fullfact bases it's figures on the constituency voting pattern in the referendum and following 2017 election which is IMO a better method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dromedary Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Have a look here https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/ and make your own conclusions after seeing the facts.. Polls are not facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Polls are not facts. Can you come up with data that shows that the majority of Labour supporters (not constituencies)didn't vote remain? Genuine question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 All this talk of respecting the referendum - the referendum didn't really respect the result of the '75 referendum, did it? (67% remain, 23% leave). Or was that undemocratic in some way we weren't aware of? If it wasn't, and it's ok to have multiple referendums on the same question, then how long needs to be left between referendums? 40 years - isn't that a bit anti-democratic? Or is it the case that referendums and plebiscites are a terrible way to make decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Or is it the case that referendums and plebiscites are a terrible way to make decisions? And an even worse way to stave off a threat from the right of your party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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