andyofborg Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 No they shouldn't be allowed to have a vote on whats on offer, and you cant have a part choice as the very nature of referendums means its a binary choice only. Its up to the government to vote and agree/disagree on whats on offer not us. Letting the public vote on matters will ultimately undermine parliaments rule and they wont allow that. referendums don't have to be a binary choice, in this case, then some sort of transferable vote, ranking the options: whatever deal the government negotiates no deal abandon the who sorry affair may be the only way to get a resolution. the most likely trigger for a referendum is going to be that parliament is unable to make a choice and in that situation you need as much information as possible as to what the public want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Parliament past legislation before the referendum vote in order to approve the 2016 EU Referendum vote taking place. Parliament past legislation after the EU referendum vote to put into law the UK are leaving the EU. Both remain and leave voters expected whatever the outcome of the EU referendum vote to be implemented by the UK Government. ---------- Post added 21-10-2018 at 13:48 ---------- David Cameron was a former Prime Minister. Giving the UK people a choice about its membership of the EU doesn't make him a basket case. I understand he has a very nice shed in his garden. Cameron had really poor judgement. That’s why he ended up in a shed at the bottom of his garden. Nothing he said legally or morally binds any government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Cameron had really poor judgement. That’s why he ended up in a shed at the bottom of his garden. Nothing he said legally or morally binds any government. I agree Cameron had poor judgement regarding the EU. Cameron wrongly thought he could reform the EU and get more favourable terms for the UK before the EU referendum vote. Cameron was unlucky with the timing of the EU referendum vote because the European migrant refugee crisis worsened after the 2015 General Election. If Scotland had voted for independence then most likely Cameron would have ended up in his shed sooner and there would never have been an EU referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Parliament past legislation before the referendum vote in order to approve the 2016 EU Referendum vote taking place. Good! Now show me the part of that legislation which said that if we leave the EU it will be forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Good! Now show me the part of that legislation which said that if we leave the EU it will be forever. David Cameron's statement the UK will leave the EU forever is the logical conclusion to the consequences of a leave victory in the EU referendum. The reason why he made such claims was to encourage the electorate to think very carefully before they chose which way to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 The reason why he made such claims was to encourage the electorate to think very carefully before they chose which way to vote. So we are agreed then, that Cameron's comments were simply personal opinion and had no legal or constitutional authority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) So we are agreed then, that Cameron's comments were simply personal opinion and had no legal or constitutional authority? After the UK do leave the EU assuming it does happen, then it is most unlikely the UK will ever rejoin the EU. I believe David Cameron was correct in making that statement you're commenting on before a very important democratic vote on the UK's membership of the EU. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing when you mention legal or constitutional authority. The fact is leave won the EU referendum vote and that decision should be implemented just as the Prime Minister, who was in charge of arranging the EU referendum at the time, said it would be. . Edited October 21, 2018 by Lockdoctor correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 After the UK do leave the EU assuming it does happen, then it is most unlikely the UK will never rejoin the EU. So you think the UK will rejoin the EU (double negative in the sentence above "unlikely" & "will never") - if we do, then we would never get as good terms as we have at the moment so what you are suggesting is that we must leave because someone without authority said we would... when actually we'd be better off not leaving. Crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 So you think the UK will rejoin the EU (double negative in the sentence above "unlikely" & "will never") - if we do, then we would never get as good terms as we have at the moment so what you are suggesting is that we must leave because someone without authority said we would... when actually we'd be better off not leaving. Crazy! Yes i should have wrote ever. I will edit. After all the hassle the current Government are having in implementing the wishes of the democratic people, then it is most unlikely in my opinion a future Government would wish to rejoin an organisation which is so difficult to leave. There can be no guarantee that all of the EU members would want the UK to rejoin them again in the future as a consequences of all the problems the UK have inflicted on them, by deciding to leave. You are correct the UK would not have the same favourable terms, if they did rejoin so it would be ludicrous for any future UK Government to even reconsider applying to rejoin the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobinfoot Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) What argument ? I was answering the question about why some of todays protesters didn't vote in 2016 You mentioned the 16/17 year olds who didn't vote in 2016 marching in London now they're 18/19. It's immaterial to mention 16/17 year olds who weren't old enough to vote back in 2016. Edited October 21, 2018 by hobinfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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