Jeffrey Shaw Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I would imagine any agreement would disgruntle most of the electorate.. No point in 'imagining'. Let's just wait and see, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobinfoot Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Well, that’s an appeal to the baseline binarism of the 2016 ref, and so an appeal to simplification: on that metric, exiting EU membership for associate ‘EEA’ membership is ‘leaving the EU’. If you disagree, then we’re back to semantics and the relevance of the ‘range’ of possible exits, from EEA to ‘no deal’. The breaking news from insiders is that the DUP will back the Tory eurosceptics’ amendment on Wednesday, making the NI backstop illegal. So much for that £1bn bung of taxpayers’ money. So long as the DUP remain in their kingmaker role, you ain’t getting in sight of the finish (-with deal) line. Tic-toc-tic-toc... There was nothing semantic about the wording in 2016 we were offered the choice to remain or leave it really was that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 So I agree with labours negotiating position on a US trade deal, the tories on a Japanese trade deal and the lib dems on an India trade deal, and that's assuming they even know their starting position (labour and the tories don't have consensus on ONE deal yet) and also assume that Donald trump doesn't say our way or nothing. Multiply that situation by as many countries as you wish. Same situation as agreeing with the policies of one party on one thing, another parties on another issue. It's either that or let the eu decide and save you the bother / choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Same situation as agreeing with the policies of one party on one thing, another parties on another issue. It's either that or let the eu decide and save you the bother / choice. But now we are negotiating from a weaker position. The EU is huge, we are not. Look, don't get me wrong the EU is far from perfect but given the yahoos in charge of our government at the moment I don't mind being part of a vaguely competent organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 we were offered the choice to remain or leave it really was that simple. Yes but leave can mean many things to many people. In its strictest sense leave means just walk away without a deal. If we don't do that then someone has to decide what level of attachment we want to have with the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 No point in 'imagining'. Let's just wait and see, shall we? Yet another "Lets's not consider the likely impacts of brexit" post. Is it some UKIP/leave campaign policy to discourage people from thinking about the likely impacts of brexit in case there's another vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) The negotiations should have been done by professionals who know how to drive a hard bargain, not some wishy washy grey woman who has spent her entire life sitting on the fence and keeping her head down. The EU has been contemptuous of her from the start. She has succeeded only in enhancing their arrogance. Edited October 22, 2018 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The negotiations should have been done by professionals who know how to drive a hard bargain, not some wishy washy grey woman who has spent her entire life sitting on the fence and keeping her head down. The EU has been contemptuous of her from the start. She has succeeded only in enhancing their arrogance. Who would you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The negotiations should have been done by professionals who know how to drive a hard bargain, not some wishy washy grey woman who has spent her entire life sitting on the fence and keeping her head down. The EU has been contemptuous of her from the start. She has succeeded only in enhancing their arrogance. May's problems are, in the main, caused by the hard-line brexiters who want to call the shots but don't want to be held responsible for the consequences. That's why Boris keeps chickening out of making a leadership bid. The recent supposedly controversial things they've been saying about her are just empty willy waving. Stab her in the front? They haven't even got the balls to stab her in the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Yet another "Lets's not consider the likely impacts of brexit" post. Is it some UKIP/leave campaign policy to discourage people from thinking about the likely impacts of brexit in case there's another vote? That seems to be the size of it...we shouldn't have to imagine... the deal(s) should have been done before now and the plans should have been laid before the referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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