Magilla Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) I don't need to get over anything It sounds like you do...... because I accept the referendum result and only stated what Cameron said regarding the Single Market. ... and as before, Cameron made promises he couldn't keep and is now gone. You should accept that as well. Edited July 10, 2018 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) There is no such thing as a hard brexit, only brexit. Why do you think leave voters want politicians who voted to leave the EU to be involved in Brexit negotiations rather than politicians, who voted to remain in the EU? "An agreement where the UK would leave not only the EU but also the EU’s Single Market (of which non-EU countries are also members) and the EU Customs Union (of which non-EU countries are also members)". Would you only accept that as a legitimate leaving of the EU? Edited July 10, 2018 by SnailyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyno Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yet so many people, (including very educated ones) and many MEPs who should Know more about the workings of the EU than most, think we should leave. If you take a look at the polling data, the very educated (as you put it) voted overwhelmingly to remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Cameron made promises he couldn't keep and is now gone. Lol at that, politician does what a politician does best. Make wild claims and bail out before having to back any of them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yet so many people, (including very educated ones) and many MEPs who should Know more about the workings of the EU than most, think we should leave. Propensity to vote Leave and the education level of the voter were in direct opposition.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 "An agreement where the UK would leave not only the EU but also the EU’s Single Market (of which non-EU countries are also members) and the EU Customs Union (of which non-EU countries are also members)". Would you only accept that as a legitimate leaving of the EU? I am struggling to understand your point. I have stated that before the referendum vote, it was understood that if the UK voted to leave the EU, then the UK would leave the single market and customs union. Both remain voters and leave voters understood that at the time. The UK will not be free to make their own trade agreements with non EU countries, if they remain in the Customs Union, which was one of the reasons and benefits for leaving the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) I am struggling to understand your point. I have stated that before the referendum vote, it was understood that if the UK voted to leave the EU, then the UK would leave the single market and customs union. A promise that was never backed up both in the act that allowed the referedum, or any official vote leave literature. Both remain voters and leave voters understood that at the time. Clearly, those leave voters who wanted to leave the EU but stay in the SM (as shown earlier) didn't think so. Maybe they actually read what Vote Leave were proposing rather than 'worse case' soundbites. The UK will not be free to make their own trade agreements with non EU countries, if they remain in the Customs Union, which was one of the reasons and benefits for leaving the EU. Doesn't seem to have stopped Germany trading with non-EU countries Edited July 10, 2018 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I am struggling to understand your point. I have stated that before the referendum vote, it was understood that if the UK voted to leave the EU, then the UK would leave the single market and customs union. Both remain voters and leave voters understood that at the time. The UK will not be free to make their own trade agreements with non EU countries, if they remain in the Customs Union, which was one of the reasons and benefits for leaving the EU. Was it understood? Not really. Not in any measurable or meaningful way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I am struggling to understand your point. I have stated that before the referendum vote, it was understood that if the UK voted to leave the EU, then the UK would leave the single market and customs union. Both remain voters and leave voters understood that at the time. The UK will not be free to make their own trade agreements with non EU countries, if they remain in the Customs Union, iswhich was one of the reasons and benefits for leaving the EU. That’s a bit of history revisionism. There’s were plenty of claims regarding being able to access the single market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I am struggling to understand your point. I have stated that before the referendum vote, it was understood that if the UK voted to leave the EU, then the UK would leave the single market and customs union. Both remain voters and leave voters understood that at the time. The UK will not be free to make their own trade agreements with non EU countries, if they remain in the Customs Union, which was one of the reasons and benefits for leaving the EU. BoJo said in 2016 in the Telegraph “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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