melthebell Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Some of us aren't being manipulated by big business and international finance into believing that an entity that exists to represent their interests is some how to be viewed of as 'progressive' and a protector of the rights of the working class. tell me again what aaron banks does? or rees mogg? what about bojo the clown? or farages original job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Yes he did actually say that it would have been better to remain and to have not unleashed all the demons. So he did say that! I was watching it in a hotel room and didn't have the facility to rewind it for another listen. The case for a re run of the vote or even sacking off the whole stupid idea completely in the national interest grows every day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 So he did say that! I was watching it in a hotel room and didn't have the facility to rewind it for another listen. The case for a re run of the vote or even sacking off the whole stupid idea completely in the national interest grows every day! Yes he really said it. Incredible really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Haven’t thought this through have you Hasn't, and won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Some of us aren't being manipulated by big business and international finance into believing that an entity that exists to represent their interests is some how to be viewed of as 'progressive' and a protector of the rights of the working class.The irony of your post notwithstanding, no-one gets to manipulate me, and if they should try, that is never for long, nor without consequences. Theresa May & her government tried in 2016-2017. But I’m no one’s negotiation chip. So as a direct result, I turned the £37k-odd I was dropping annually in income tax and NI, the £45k-odd I was dropping annually in local consumption and indirect taxes, and the mid £6-figs under professional activity (VAT on services, taxable profits, goodwill for U.K. services, etc), all of it ultimately supporting the U.K. and all who sail on her, into a big fat zero for the U.K. as from late Nov/early Dec 2017. And moved it all here, thanks to the EU. Now I still “support the working class”, and am very happy to, same as I’ve always been. Just not the UK’s anymore, since you didn’t want me there anymore: the local working class appreciates the value of other people’s money far better than in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve68 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 The irony of your post notwithstanding, no-one gets to manipulate me, and if they should try, that is never for long, nor without consequences. Theresa May & her government tried in 2016-2017. But I’m no one’s negotiation chip. So as a direct result, I turned the £37k-odd I was dropping annually in income tax and NI, the £45k-odd I was dropping annually in local consumption and indirect taxes, and the mid £6-figs under professional activity (VAT on services, taxable profits, goodwill for U.K. services, etc), all of it ultimately supporting the U.K. and all who sail on her, into a big fat zero for the U.K. as from late Nov/early Dec 2017. And moved it all here, thanks to the EU. Now I still “support the working class”, and am very happy to, same as I’ve always been. Just not the UK’s anymore, since you didn’t want me there anymore: the local working class appreciates the value of other people’s money far better than in the UK Congratulations proof if ever, We exist as chaos-driven reactions. Wellbeing is the driver of presence. To follow the journey is to become one with it. Well done L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Congratulations proof if ever, We exist as chaos-driven reactions. Wellbeing is the driver of presence. To follow the journey is to become one with it. Well done L00b You can choose to see it as chaos-driven reaction. It’s a personal perspective, no more nor less valid than another opinion. I see it with a Darwinian perspective, tinged by dispassionate Cartesianism: adapt fast and early to an environment changing demonstrably for the worse over an indeterminate term, by exiting the said environment for another deemed better It’s what migrants, economic and not, have always done since man was man. And the very definition of pulling oneself by one’s own straps. Edited November 5, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendix Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I cant see in to the future. Can you provide details that Clacton was in a worse state pre 1973? I've seen some nonsense spouted in the Brexit debate, but I dont think anyone has ever plumbed the depths so much as blaming the EU on Clacton's economic slide. Clacton has died as a town for one single reason: Its main economic driver was a seaside resort, and as cheap package holidays have become more popular so Clacton has died a slow death. The same is true of pretty much ever similar place in the UK - Great Yarmouth, Margate etc. It has nothing to do with the EU. However, the area has been a recipient of lots of EU regeneration funding. That, of course, will end post Brexit. Classic case of Turkeys voting for Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 The mercenary footsoldiers of global capitalism. But saying that, one hardworking EU economic migrant is worth more than a thousand affluent, skinny latte sipping, middle class Remain supporting professionals with a Brexit chip on their shoulder. You're getting funnier...keep it up I like a good laugh ---------- Post added 05-11-2018 at 11:05 ---------- As opposed to Rees-Mogg, Hannan, Johnson etc... being champions of the working class.. Haven’t thought this through have you We've gone through this before but the bot hasn't come up with a reply... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) We've gone through this before but the bot hasn't come up with a reply... Car boot might be familiar with Peter Geoghegan’s work (as part of Open Democracy), and so know full well how much of a ma-ooo-sive own goal his reply, whatever reply, to that question would be. He won’t answer (or will post hand-waving nonsense, same difference). No self-respecting, normally-adjusted supporter of democracy, on either side of the Brexit debate, can. Edited November 5, 2018 by L00b added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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