L00b Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I agree , we've triggered A50, any type of return would be by mutual agreement and negotiation. What I'm saying is, if a referendum were held and it was clear we would be returning in schengen, no rebate etc , then that referendum would return a larger Leave majority. If a referndum were held and the 'concessions' were larger rebate, and the concessions Cameron failed to get, then it is more easily winnable by Remain. HaHaHaHaHaHaHa! Good joke. Seriously good ---------- Post added 14-11-2018 at 19:28 ---------- Leaving means not officially being part of the EU, but in the transition period it’s as-is in terms of trade etc... Not many leavers understand that - in April 2019 we’ll still be operating much like an EU member and that will continue until the (extendable) transition completes. Today is all about the deal being agreed so we can get the transition started in March. Once a deal is agreed it means 2 years at least of relative stability, which May hopes gives the Tories a reasonable glide path for a GE. bendix is correct. You are also, in your own wording. It's very important not to confuse the transition deal (which is what today -and the last 2 years- are about, and ends in 2020) and the trade deal (which is what will start getting negotiated from March 2019). Edited November 14, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 HaHaHaHaHaHaHa! Good joke. Seriously good ---------- Post added 14-11-2018 at 19:28 ---------- bendix is correct. You are also, in your own wording. It's very important not to confuse the transition deal (which is what today -and the last 2 years- are about, and ends in 2020) and the trade deal (which is what will start getting negotiated from March 2019). Indeed. The key point is that in March 2019 we leave but everything pretty much stays the same for a time. The trade talks begin but we know such talks can extend for years on end. The transition can be extended. I honestly thinks if it happens then it is going to explode a lot of Brexiter minds when they realise the reality. Maybe it’s what they need. It’s also why leading Brexiters are desperate for no deal in March 2019. They know that without that nothing will substantially change for a long, and the hanging drawing and quartering of them by their - until now - loyal followers will really start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Where do you get your ideas from? There is an ECJ case to heard whether the U.K. can unilaterally cancel Article 50. If it rules we can, there is still plenty of time for another referendum. The legal framework around Article 50 in the Lisbon Treaty was written in a way as to be deliberately vague. If the U.K. wants to cancel Article 50 want to guess which way the ECJ will lean? The European Court of Justice is a kangaroo court. It exists to carry out the will of the European Commission. ---------- Post added 14-11-2018 at 20:11 ---------- The German economy shrank by 0.2 per cent in the third quarter (July-September). UK GDP grew by 0.6 per cent in July-September. Eurozone growth was just 0.2 per cent in the three months ending in September. Meanwhile Italy has defied the EU in cutting its budget and wants to stick with its plans to reduce poverty - which the EU opposes. Edited November 14, 2018 by Car Boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Is project fear still being peddled by the Remoaners ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 The European Court of Justice is a kangaroo court. It exists to carry out the will of the European Commission. ---------- Post added 14-11-2018 at 20:11 ---------- The German economy shrank by 0.2 per cent in the third quarter (July-September). UK GDP grew by 0.6 per cent in July-September. Eurozone growth was just 0.2 per cent in the three months ending in September. Meanwhile Italy has defied the EU in cutting its budget and wants to stick with its plans to reduce poverty - which the EU opposes. why did GDP grow? because it had already dropped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) why did GDP grow? because it had already dropped? Actually, in the second quarter (April-June) the UK economy grew by 0.4 per cent. The German economy grew by 0.5 per cent (Q2). Eurozone growth was 0.3 per cent (Q2). Edited November 14, 2018 by Car Boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Indeed. The key point is that in March 2019 we leave but everything pretty much stays the same for a time. The trade talks begin but we know such talks can extend for years on end. The transition can be extended. I honestly thinks if it happens then it is going to explode a lot of Brexiter minds when they realise the reality. Maybe it’s what they need. It’s also why leading Brexiters are desperate for no deal in March 2019. They know that without that nothing will substantially change for a long, and the hanging drawing and quartering of them by their - until now - loyal followers will really start. It might explode some peoples minds. But isn't a transition from our current state to new one, one of the major concerns e.g a cliff edge or leap into the unkown? Don't mistake things rees-mogg says for what the man in the street wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Is project fear still being peddled by the Remoaners ? Project Fear forecast that immediately following a vote to leave the EU: The stock market would crash. The housing market would crash. There would be a very large increase in unemployment (800,000+). These things have yet to happen, nearly 30 months later. And lets not forget the recession that never happened. Apart from these few minor errors, Project Fear was absolutely spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Project Fear forecast that immediately following a vote to leave the EU: The stock market would crash. The housing market would crash. There would be a very large increase in unemployment (800,000+). These things have yet to happen, nearly 30 months later. And lets not forget the recession that never happened. Apart from these few minor errors, Project Fear was absolutely spot on. Let’s hope that now that we are all so much better educated on the pro and cons of leaving the EU ,that we can all have a people’s vote with more certain knowledge of the probable outcome. Forget misleading banner headlines,messages on buses and all the perceived threats of so called Project Fear. May continues to fend off her challengers,like a lion tamer with a whip and chair,but for how long. True Brexit is but a dream for a few years yet. Oh ,relative to the above ,I forgot to mention that Brexit has not happened or even barely progressed yet. Edited November 14, 2018 by RJRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 The Brexit Vote has meant: UK: No UK recession. One million more jobs than forecast - most of them full-time. Wage growth has risen. Growth has been above forecasts. Eurozone: Very weak currency. Growth down. Massive youth unemployment. Massive debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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