The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Magilla]

Wooosh

 

There is no wooosh, the point is clear.

 

If you're ill you go to someone who knows that they're talking about, their opinion *does* infact carry more validity than someone who is less educated in that field.

 

So, essentially, your premise is a nonsense when the question being asked is of a technical nature. Of course, the implications of the leave vote are indeed very technical, as such one of the main leaver mantras was "We don't need no experts"

 

When you've got some life experience re-post.

 

.. and it still is.

Edited November 15, 2018 by Magilla

[ez8004]

Tell you what, anyone who has the snobbish, eliteist arrogance to say their opinion carries more validity than someone who has less qualifications, but has raised a family, worked, seen life, formed relationships, experienced and survived in a hard world, needs a wake up call.

 

People who are more educated tend to develop better reasoned arguments instead of recycling political soundbites of others repeatedly.

 

There is a reason why people with less qualifications earn far less in general. Welcome to the real world. If you tried harder at school then maybe your life wouldn't be so hard and could provide for your family better.

[I1L2T3]

People who are more educated tend to develop better reasoned arguments instead of recycling political soundbites of others repeatedly.

 

There is a reason why people with less qualifications earn far less in general. Welcome to the real world. If you tried harder at school then maybe your life wouldn't be so hard and could provide for your family better.

 

It doesn’t quite work like that. Some people have basic and modest expectations in life. The ability to live a stable life in that way has been progressively eroded.

 

People see the EU as the agent for that erosion. They’re almost completely wrong of course but that is what they’ve been taught to attack.

[woodview]

There is no wooosh, the point is clear.

 

If you're ill you go to someone who knows that they're talking about, their opinion *does* infact carry more validity than someone who is less educated in that field.

 

So, essentially, your premise is a nonsense when the question being asked is of a technical nature. Of course, the implications of the leave vote are indeed very technical, as such one of the main leaver mantras was "We don't need no experts"

 

 

 

.. and it still is.

 

What qualifications should you have to botebin the refendum then? A Phd in international government, is a sports degree from uni of east anglia ok?

Matey boy Corbyn is a Leaver too remember, he just likes to keep quiet aboutnit these days. Yiu still seem to struggle grasping the importance of life experience vs qualifications. It may come when you have some.

[apelike]

Everybody should have a chance to voice their opinion, but it’s fair to say that a lot of less well educated people have had their minds filled with utter crap from the DM, the Sun and the likes of Farage. They have been deliberately targeted.

 

And yet it was the very well educated ones in government who have previously and now recently called for a referendum to be held. It was also those who are well educated in parliament who also agreed to hold one, subsequently trigger A50 and pass the great repeal bill. We either have a democracy that allows all regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation, education or disabilities to vote as equals or we scrap the idea. If its the former then we must also accept the democratic outcome as well regardless of whether we personally agree. And yes I know people can be manipulated as that is what governments have been doing to them for decades.

Edited November 15, 2018 by apelike

[Bob Arctor]

It doesn’t quite work like that. Some people have basic and modest expectations in life. The ability to live a stable life in that way has been progressively eroded.

 

People see the EU as the agent for that erosion. They’re almost completely wrong of course but that is what they’ve been taught to attack.

 

Hasn't Dominic Raab just resigned in protest at himself?

[Lockdoctor]

So a temporary Customs Union, followed by a comprehensive Free Trade Deal would offer the same, yes?

Jacob Rees Mogg made a brilliant point on the Peston show last night regarding when politicians use the word 'temporary' to get legislation passed. He pointed out when income tax was introduced in the UK that it was only a temporary measure. The devil is in the detail and only a fool would sign the withdrawal agreement which Mrs May supports.

 

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Hasn't Dominic Raab just resigned in protest at himself?

No, he has resigned because he disagrees with an agreement his boss supports, who has publicly stated she would lead Brexit negotiations.

[Michael_W]

People who are more educated tend to develop better reasoned arguments instead of recycling political soundbites of others repeatedly.

 

There is a reason why people with less qualifications earn far less in general. Welcome to the real world. If you tried harder at school then maybe your life wouldn't be so hard and could provide for your family better.

 

Let's cut through some of that nonsense, not everyone with an education is as smart or dynamic as you or they think they are, regardless of their position and earnings. I know plenty of academically less gifted people who have experience, skills, talent and the good old fashioned ability to graft who have done well for themselves and are more than savvy enough to have an argument on here with the likes of thee.

Make no mistake this Brexit malarkey was avoidable, unfortunately most of our arrogant political elite (Lib/Lab/Con) and many of their supporters (particularly who lean to the left, may I add ) didn't have either the balls, the wisdom, the care or the foresight to deal with working class peoples concerns about immigration, and to put it simply for some of the 'so called' educated amongst us, that is why we have this Leave/Brexit situation IMHO !

 

The potential for serious mayhem and nonsense has barely begun.

[I1L2T3]

And yet it was the very well educated ones in government who have previously and now recently called for a referendum to be held. It was also those who are well educated in parliament who also agreed to hold one, subsequently trigger A50 and pass the great repeal bill. We either have a democracy that allows all regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation, education or disabilities to vote as equals or we scrap the idea. If its the former then we must also accept the democratic outcome as well regardless of whether we personally agree. And yes I know people can be manipulated as that is what governments have been doing to them for decades.

 

I think the referendum was profoundly undemocratic in a lot of respects, and more so with every new revelation.

 

But nobody can say the result was not democratically respected. Mays deal is the culmination of two years of respecting the result.

 

The bit that Brexiters miss though is that democracy did not end in 2016. We still have a democratic process, everybody still has a vote and a voice, and every right to use those to change the path we are on. If you say we can’t do that then you don’t understand or respect democracy.

 

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Hasn't Dominic Raab just resigned in protest at himself?

 

Apparently he authored some of the withdrawal agreement

 

But he had a ministerial limo and all the perks when he was doing it so not all bad.

[tinfoilhat]

Jacob Rees Mogg made a brilliant point on the Peston show last night regarding when politicians use the word 'temporary' to get legislation passed. He pointed out when income tax was introduced in the UK that it was only a temporary measure. The devil is in the detail and only a fool would sign the withdrawal agreement which Mrs May supports.

 

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No, he has resigned because he disagrees with an agreement his boss supports, who has publicly stated she would lead Brexit negotiations.

 

I'm sure he had detailed plan, and May just ripped it up and through it in his face.

 

But of course he didn't have an alternative, he's a brexiter. "so loads of trade comes through Dover you say? Who knew!!" I wouldn't trust him running a school tuck shop.