woodview Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, truman said: Can you show any report that says we'll be better off economically outside the EU? I'm not disputing the figure, it may well be correct. In my personal opinion they are predicting a 0.2% impact on gdp per year, compounded over 15 years. 'If' that were true, I would still support a Leave vote. The other aspect is there is more to the economy than pure gdp (akin to turnover). If not, are we going to euthanise the old and sick to improve our prosperity? It works out on paper. We have other costs associated with membership (as well as benefits), shools, health, housing etc etc I don't fully believe the credibilty of forecasting gdp out 15 years in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Magilla said: The only way it ends arguments is when the result is near concensus. Hence Swiss referena need to have a two thirds majority for any matter to be considered "settled". The referendum itself was fatally flawed. Okay, you will be happy and stop arguing, if Mrs May stated nobody likes the deal I have negotiated and said we are having another referendum to either remain in the EU or leave the EU without a deal and remain had to receive two thirds of the votes cast in order to overturn the result of the last referendum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Okay, you will be happy and stop arguing, if Mrs May stated nobody likes the deal I have negotiated and said we are having another referendum to either remain in the EU or leave the EU without a deal and remain had to receive two thirds of the votes cast in order to overturn the result of the last referendum? There will never be 2/3rds for any decision on this. And staying is as contentious as leaving. We run the country on first past the post, which sees governments formed with less than 50% support. We went to war in Iraq under the Blair government who were on a 40% vote share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, woodview said: There will never be 2/3rds for any decision on this. And staying is as contentious as leaving. We run the country on first past the post, which sees governments formed with less than 50% support. We went to war in Iraq under the Blair government who were on a 40% vote share. How did that turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil-minx92 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, truman said: Can you show any report that says we'll be better off economically outside the EU? I dont believe reports from either camp or independent. There are too many unknowns and variables to come to any kind of remotely accurate conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 16 hours ago, Cyclone said: He gave examples, so you couldn't take that route obviously. Instead you went down the route of accusing him of selfishness after you specifically asked for personal examples. You are being very predictable again with that reply and have gone down the route of accusing me of accusing him of being selfish which was actually from another poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, woodview said: I'm not disputing the figure, it may well be correct. In my personal opinion they are predicting a 0.2% impact on gdp per year, compounded over 15 years. 'If' that were true, I would still support a Leave vote. The other aspect is there is more to the economy than pure gdp (akin to turnover). If not, are we going to euthanise the old and sick to improve our prosperity? It works out on paper. We have other costs associated with membership (as well as benefits), shools, health, housing etc etc I don't fully believe the credibilty of forecasting gdp out 15 years in the future. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/28/chancellor-uk-worse-off-brexit-scenarios-philip-hammond He can't see us being better off under any deal... A bit removed from this https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/20/liam-fox-uk-eu-trade-deal-after-brexit-easiest-human-history 6 minutes ago, lil-minx92 said: I dont believe reports from either camp or independent. There are too many unknowns and variables to come to any kind of remotely accurate conclusions. I'm not asking you to believe anything..I just wanted to see a report that says we'll be better off.. Edited November 28, 2018 by truman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Okay, you will be happy and stop arguing, if Mrs May stated nobody likes the deal I have negotiated and said we are having another referendum to either remain in the EU or leave the EU without a deal and remain had to receive two thirds of the votes cast in order to overturn the result of the last referendum? Clearly, you've missed the point. A 48/52 split isn't a mandate for any meaningful change, and thus Brexit is the inevitable dogs dinner it was always going to be. Re: Mays deal, according to a poll in todays Daily Mail, Mays deal is supported by the majorty of the public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, truman said: How did that turn out? thats exactly what I mean. We take bigger decisions without demanding 2/3 agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Magilla said: Clearly, you've missed the point. A 48/52 split isn't a mandate for any meaninful change, and thus Brexit is the inevitable dogs dinner it was always going to be. Re: Mays deal, according to a poll in todays Daily Mail, Mays deal is supported by the majorty of the public I've not missed the point , but have blown your suggestion to end arguments out of the water . The UK Parliament have passed legislation to put into law that the UK are leaving the EU. This means under your suggestion to end arguments that another referendum result would require two third of votes to overturn the result of the previous referendum 17 minutes ago, woodview said: There will never be 2/3rds for any decision on this. And staying is as contentious as leaving. We run the country on first past the post, which sees governments formed with less than 50% support. We went to war in Iraq under the Blair government who were on a 40% vote share. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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