Lockdoctor Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said: Wow! You have posted some rubbish on here but that has to top the tree. The DUP are a nasty, racist, misogynist, homophobic, extreme religious organisation which came out of the Loyalist paramilitary movement in the early days of the troubles. Many party officials are former members of loyalist terror groups and DUP politicians often share platforms with the leaders of paramilitary groups. And as for painting them as champions of democracy, have you been smoking drugs again? The raison d'etre for extreme loyalism was to oppose the growing civic and political representation of the Catholic/nationalist communities in the 1960s and 1970s. No wonder so many people on here think that you are a Russian bot! The DUP are most certainly the undisputed champions of democracy because everyone of their MPs in parliament respects the democratic EU referendum result. The DUP are the largest political party in Northern Ireland which indicates to me their beliefs are supported by most Northern Ireland people. It's a weakness to condemn beliefs simply because they don't mirror your own personal beliefs . I am blessed I am not a weak person. If I had been smoking drugs then maybe I would be hallucinated like you and believe that remain won the EU referendum vote despite only receiving 48% of votes cast in the two horse race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: The DUP are most certainly the undisputed champions of democracy because everyone of their MPs in parliament respects the democratic EU referendum result. Is it their democratic super powers which managed to create/maintain exceptions to national UK laws, voted by Parliament, about abortion, same sex marriage, etc, etc. in Northern Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 27 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: The DUP are the largest political party in Northern Ireland which indicates to me their beliefs are supported by most Northern Ireland people. Your knowledge and understanding of Irish politics is about as poor as that of Karen Bradley, the NI Secretary. When Ireland was partitioned in 1921, the nine counties of Ulster was reduced to six counties to ensure an enduring loyalist majority in the North. That is why for the last 98 years, a unionist party has always been the largest in the North. Partition was a political response to unionist opposition to Irish home rule after the only all-Ireland election in 1918 saw parties supporting Irish Independance winning the greatest number of seats. Dude, trying to paint Ulster loyalists as champions of democracy is about as credible as trying to claim that the Khymer Rouge and Kim Jong Un's regime in North Korea are democratic paragons! Good luck with that! 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said: If I had been smoking drugs then maybe I would be hallucinated like you and believe that remain won the EU referendum vote despite only receiving 48% of votes cast in the two horse race. You are smoking drugs, you still think no-deal is acceptable All that has really been achieved so far, is the removal of rights from UK nationals... every UK citizen has already lost. 26 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Dude, trying to paint Ulster loyalists as champions of democracy is about as credible as trying to claim that the Khymer Rouge and Kim Jong Un's regime in North Korea are democratic paragons! Don't forget, Herr Lockdoktor loves democracy so much that they advocated a military coup to depose the democratically elected government! Edited December 3, 2018 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said: We will either continue to use the outdated US military system or pay through the nose to use a system that we were once part of. The US system of GPS may be getting a bit old but its is certainly not outdated and still very capable and is free.The Galileo system may be newer but does not offer many extra benefits to the normal user, not forgetting that its the normal user and taxpayer that is also paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, L00b said: Is it their democratic super powers which managed to create/maintain exceptions to national UK laws, voted by Parliament, about abortion, same sex marriage, etc, etc. in Northern Ireland? The history of Northern Ireland is complicated. There was a Parliament of Northern Ireland until about the same time the UK joined the EU. The Devolution Acts introduced by Tony Blair's Labour Government allow the people of Northern Ireland to have different laws relating to abortion and same sex marriage from the rest of the UK. Northern Ireland are also allowed to have their own separate football team in the World Cup, which is a unique privilege only the home nations of the UK enjoy, which most likely explains why the Rest Of The World have an inferiority complex towards the UK. Edited December 3, 2018 by Lockdoctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, apelike said: The US system of GPS may be getting a bit old but its is certainly not outdated and still very capable and is free.The Galileo system may be newer but does not offer many extra benefits to the normal user, not forgetting that its the normal user and taxpayer that is also paying for it. Wrong on almost all counts! The US system is very outdated and one of the biggest advances in aviation well be when GPS is certified for total integration in aircraft navigation systems. This will virtually eliminate accidents caused by unreliable airspeed which still kills hundreds of people including 189 people in Indonesia only last month. The US system is not good enough. The EU's Galileo will be. Accurate GPS data will also be required for pretty much everything for the forseeable future. Yes, the taxpayers of the contributing countries will initially pay for it but that will be more than offset by the potentially enormous profits generated by licensing commercial use of the system. Pretty much everything to do with leaving the EU is dumb but pulling out of the Galileo project has got to be right up there near the top of the list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: The US system is very outdated.. It is not outdated that is where you are wrong. It may bee getting a bit old but newer US GPS satellites have and are being put in orbit which upgrades the system. One of the main reasons Galileo has been developed is not because of increased accuracy but to ensure that the USA does not turn off the signal in any future European conflicts. The US GPS system is still accurate for the majority of uses and still accurate enough to guide a Scud through an open window, as seen in the Iraq war. The Galileo system is costly, been over budget many times nearly got stopped and was then bailed again out by the taxpayer in the EU. It has problems with Atomic clock failures and is costing a fortune as the budget is still rising and will cost a fortune to maintain. According to Wikileaks Berry Smutny, the CEO of the German satellite company OHB-System, said that Galileo "is a stupid idea that primarily serves French interests"Perhaps you now realise why Macron also is very supportive of an EU army as well. 42 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Yes, the taxpayers of the contributing countries will initially pay for it but that will be more than offset by the potentially enormous profits generated by licensing commercial use of the system. But will companies pay for its commercial use when the free US GPS system is good enough and accurate enough to use, as it now is, for the majority of cases? Sometimes just because you can does not mean it is a good idea to do so. Edited December 3, 2018 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said: The history of Northern Ireland is complicated. There was a Parliament of Northern Ireland until about the same time the UK joined the EU. The Devolution Acts introduced by Tony Blair's Labour Government allow the people of Northern Ireland to have different laws relating to abortion and same sex marriage from the rest of the UK. Northern Ireland are also allowed to have their own separate football team in the World Cup, which is a unique privilege only the home nations of the UK enjoy, which most likely explains why the Rest Of The World have an inferiority complex towards the UK. Nice history lesson. Now, what relevance to the long- and hard-fought, democratically-acquired right to wed for same-sex couples in 21st century Northern Ireland, dare I ask again? They vote in the same GE you do, and are legislated for by the same Parliament you are. Doesn't look to me like the Northern Irish, your fellow citizens, enjoy the same democratic rights that the rest of the Union does, whichever way you twist it. And I can't see your champions of democracy the DUP changing that state of affairs anytime soon. Edited December 3, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, apelike said: It is not outdated that is where you are wrong. It may bee getting a bit old but newer US GPS satellites have and are being put in orbit which upgrades the system. One of the main reasons Galileo has been developed is not because of increased accuracy but to ensure that the USA does not turn off the signal in any future European conflicts. The US GPS system is still accurate for the majority of uses and still accurate enough to guide a Scud through an open window, as seen in the Iraq war. The Galileo system is costly, been over budget many times nearly got stopped and was then bailed again out by the taxpayer in the EU. It has problems with Atomic clock failures and is costing a fortune as the budget is still rising and will cost a fortune to maintain. According to Wikileaks Berry Smutny, the CEO of the German satellite company OHB-System, said that Galileo "is a stupid idea that primarily serves French interests"Perhaps you now realise why Macron also is very supportive of an EU army as well. But will companies pay for its commercial use when the free US GPS system is good enough and accurate enough to use, as it now is, for the majority of cases? Sometimes just because you can does not mean it is a good idea to do so. There is a good reason the EU wants its own GPS system, it doesn't have one, the US, China and Russia do. All GPS requests are now controlled by a country (US) that is being run by someone who wants to shut down international cooperation. That is a fragile position to be in for the biggest economy on the planet. GPS doesn't serve mere warfare purposes, the economy relies on it all over the place. From transport services to farm machinery to joggers in the park. It might be an expensive piece of kit, but considering the value that GPS generates in the economy (several tens of billions a year) it isn't surprising the EU wants to regain some control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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