The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Top Cats Hat]

2 hours ago, Magilla said:

A nice little piece on the Institute of Economic Affairs "Plan A+"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/04/post-brexit-free-trade-deal-us-rightwing-thinktanks

 

Highlights:

- Removing GDPR privacy protections.

- allowing the free flow of data across borders.

- chemical safety rules to be removed.

- relax transparency rules around clinical trials for drug testing

- allow longer patents for pharmaceuticals companies, increasing the price of drugs for everyone.

- services and government procurement should be opened to international competition.

- scrap limits on working hours.

- scrap protections designed to avoid workers being exploited or undercut by cheap migrant labour.

- scrap environmental protections & food standards.

- massive financial deregulation.

 

Must be me, 'cos none of these sound like particularly good ideas

Isn't that the real impetus behind this whole project? A low wage, deregulated quasi third world economy without that interfering EU intervening on workers' rights and health and food safety.

 

It is no coincidence that rich businessmen such as Jacob Rees-Mogg, Aaron Banks and Nigel Faridge are so in favour.

[I1L2T3]

55 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Isn't that the real impetus behind this whole project? A low wage, deregulated quasi third world economy without that interfering EU intervening on workers' rights and health and food safety.

 

It is no coincidence that rich businessmen such as Jacob Rees-Mogg, Aaron Banks and Nigel Faridge are so in favour.

It’s not just rich businessmen in the U.K. 

 

There will be multiple lobbying organisations fronting up for corporate interests involved in promoting each of those changes.

 

Ive worked closely with lobbyists in the past, and witnessed them bending the ear of politicians and civil servants over time periods spanning years. One time there was another company sniffing around and their lobbying team were in touch with MPs (this spanned two governments of different types). A nice little visit for some civil servants to company HQ in the states, and almost 5 years later they were demanding our company implement solutions that had been demo’d to them years before.

Edited December 4, 2018 by I1L2T3

[Top Cats Hat]

18 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

The Devolution  Acts  introduced by Tony Blair's Labour Government allow the people of Northern Ireland  to have different laws relating to abortion and same sex  marriage  from the rest of the UK.   Northern Ireland are also allowed to have their own separate  football team in the World Cup, 

On one hand, you seem to be championing Northern Ireland's right to be different to the rest of the UK and at the same time supporting the DUP's opposition to Teresa May's Brexit deal on the grounds that it will make Northern Ireland different to the rest of the UK.

 

Confused.com?

[geared]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Isn't that the real impetus behind this whole project? A low wage, deregulated quasi third world economy without that interfering EU intervening on workers' rights and health and food safety.

 

It is no coincidence that rich businessmen such as Jacob Rees-Mogg, Aaron Banks and Nigel Faridge are so in favour.

 

There was also talk about us becoming some kind of low-tax back door into Europe, a situation where we have free trade with them but also were able to set much lower tariffs on items so the tax money slipped into our pockets and not of EU countries.

Naturally it wasn't a hit in Brussels.

[I1L2T3]

11 minutes ago, geared said:

 

There was also talk about us becoming some kind of low-tax back door into Europe, a situation where we have free trade with them but also were able to set much lower tariffs on items so the tax money slipped into our pockets and not of EU countries.

Naturally it wasn't a hit in Brussels.

Those two things are incompatible and would drive a coach and horses through WTO rules on a number of levels. The EU would not allow us free trade on those terms. The EU as a WTO member, and the EU states as individual WTO members would object at the WTO. Other WTO members would object too because of the unfair advantage it would give us in EU markets compared to themselves, and the prospect of using the U.K. as  low cost route into EU markets would not placate them.

 

Once again it’s Brexiter fantasy with zero reference to reality

Edited December 4, 2018 by I1L2T3

[Top Cats Hat]

8 minutes ago, geared said:

 

There was also talk about us becoming some kind of low-tax back door into Europe, a situation where we have free trade with them but also were able to set much lower tariffs on items so the tax money slipped into our pockets and not of EU countries.

Naturally it wasn't a hit in Brussels.

 

8 minutes ago, geared said:

 

There was also talk about us becoming some kind of low-tax back door into Europe, a situation where we have free trade with them but also were able to set much lower tariffs on items so the tax money slipped into our pockets and not of EU countries.

Naturally it wasn't a hit in Brussels.

That is something that the soft-Brexiteers simply refuse to  accept. 

 

It is not a a case of the EU not wanting to give us a better deal, they simply can't. Unfortunately those who shout their opposition to EU membership the loudest seem to have the least understanding of what the EU is and how the single market actually operates.

[tzijlstra]

17 hours ago, Phanerothyme said:

The GPS network is a Tx only operation. You have a receiver - it receives GPS transmissions. It, and every other GPS unit in existence, transmits no data back to GPS satellites.

The USAF cannot simply switch GPS off over Europe for reasons  that may become clear if you read the wiki page.

What they can do is change the accuracy of the civilian and military signals.

This happened during GW1 when the US army were equipped with civilian GPS units (not enough military ones to go around), and the civilian GPS 'signal' jumped in accuracy by a factor of 10 about the time the invasion got under way.

 

Yachties everywhere noticed it straight away.
 

From that wiki page:

 

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The GPS system is provided by the United States government, which can selectively deny access to the system, as happened to the Indian military in 1999 during the Kargil War, or degrade the service at any time.^[7] As a result, several countries have developed or are in the process of setting up other global or regional satellite navigation systems.

You are right about the reception side, I stand corrected there.

16 hours ago, Phanerothyme said:

You can get plenty of GLONASS/GPS receivers - you probably have one in your phone. A GLONASS/GPS/GALILEO receiver is probably already on the market.

The accuracy of nukes is less of an issue than that of, for example, delivery drones, aircraft, driverless cars, trains,  emergency services, etc, etc, you get the picture.

The ins and outs of various positioning systems is of course deeply fascinating, but it doesn't change the fact that Brexit now also means spunking £1.5B on someone else's pet tech project without ever seeing any benefit.

Someone, somewhere, thinks that this is a good thing. I'd like to ask them why, out of sheer curiousity.

One reason, that is hard to dispute with but slightly complex in nature:

 

The EU is seeking to build its techological capabilities. A project like Galileo isn't necessarily a game-changer, but it is a stimulant. I've worked on an EU funded project of a similar nature, disseminating knowledge and expertise to areas that don't normally have access to the latest and greatest tech. That might only have been a €3 million project, but the impact led to several tens of millions in revenue for the participating partners. I might add, it is a lot easier for a collective like the EU to invest in such projects than it is for a single national government.

Edited December 4, 2018 by tzijlstra

[I1L2T3]

So this is creeping closer and closer, and worming it’s way into the lives of ordinary people.

 

My missus works with nurses on a daily basis, many of whom like herself are citizens of other countries.

 

The governing body has been mailshotting nurses registered with EU citizenship, explaining actions to take. The inference is clear - not only is their residency at stake but also their capability to practice in this country.

 

Time to stop this madness. For those of you Brexiters who irrationally hate the NHS, remember that private healthcare companies massively rely on EU citizens as well

[apelike]

2 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

From that wiki page:

"The GPS system is provided by the United States government, which can selectively deny access to the system, as happened to the Indian military in 1999 during the Kargil War, or degrade the service at any time.^[7] As a result, several countries have developed or are in the process of setting up other global or regional satellite navigation systems."

 

Wiki also states that Selective Availability or downgrading the signal is no longer done since 2000 under a US Presidential executive order, and the newer satellites cant use Selective Availability so basically GPS now uses the full set of data and is military grade.

 

What is interesting is that if the EU are to progress with its own EU army and weapons production then Galileo will be an integral part of it.

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Edited December 4, 2018 by apelike

[Lockdoctor]

4 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

On one hand, you seem to be championing Northern Ireland's right to be different to the rest of the UK and at the same time supporting the DUP's opposition to Teresa May's Brexit deal on the grounds that it will make Northern Ireland different to the rest of the UK.

 

Confused.com?

I am not championing anything. It's a fact there is devolution  which gives Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales some powers to make their own laws.  The people in England have to pay for prescriptions while in Wales prescriptions are free.  Personally I am not a fan of devolution and think every law should be the same through out the UK.  However, we do have devolution so it should be up to the Northern Ireland Assembly to decide if they want to change laws to allow same sex marriage and abortion.  Northern Ireland are only in the EU because they are part of the UK  and the EU referendum was to decide whether the whole of the UK remained in the EU or leave the EU. 

 

All the DUP have done is respect the democratic  referendum result and acted in the best interests of Northern Ireland.  The DUP are good people.