The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[BrexitGuy]

No Brexit is contractually unobtainable. The referendum trump's the inability of government to resolve the basics of the extraction from the EU. If the deal is rejected, which is looking more likely by the day, then the issue of a possible No Deal is the road that could be taken. Europe's threats of multiple charges against the UK should there be a no deal scenario are as wet as Junckers trousers. There's not a single major importer that will allow the EU to threaten their business deals with the UK. The biggest fear remainers have is that they believe the EU is an all powerful wizard, similar to the famous film involving a yellow brick road, however in reality big business controls trade, and should this be put in jeopardy by the greedy European scaremongers, then that is when the EU will show itself to be as yellow as the road mentioned earlier.

[Top Cats Hat]

24 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

No Brexit is contractually unobtainable. The referendum trump's the inability of government to resolve the basics of the extraction from the EU. 

The referendum doesn't trump anything.

 

It was a poorly thought out, poorly executed advisory only exercise, the result of which was that neither option could garner the support of even than 38% of the electorate. More importantly, it was held over two and a half years ago and pretty much every poll since then has shown a majority in favour of remaining in the EU, not least because people are a lot more informed about what leaving the EU means.

 

The 2016 referendum is completely meaningless in 2018.

 

(oh and no, Brexit is not contractually unobtainable. The legal advice to the ECJ this week was that a simple UK parliamentary majority could stop Article 50 altogether.)

[phil752]

On 12/5/2018 at 6:51 AM, I1L2T3 said:

Neither is true

In what way, Labour want to leave or the majority of Brexit leave voter were in Labour seats?

[BrexitGuy]

6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The referendum doesn't trump anything.

 

It was a poorly thought out, poorly executed advisory only exercise, the result of which was that neither option could garner the support of even than 38% of the electorate. More importantly, it was held over two and a half years ago and pretty much every poll since then has shown a majority in favour of remaining in the EU, not least because people are a lot more informed about what leaving the EU means.

 

The 2016 referendum is completely meaningless in 2018.

 

(oh and no, Brexit is not contractually unobtainable. The legal advice to the ECJ this week was that a simple UK parliamentary majority could stop Article 50 altogether.)

Brexit will be irreversible at 12.30pm on the 29th of March 2019. To stop this process will require a change of law, to which politicians have just over twelve weeks to rubber stamp. At the minute, they can't agree which biscuits to buy. The possibility of a parliamentary agreement is looking bleaker by the minute, as the politicians at the moment are more concerned with public opinion what Brexit action means. There is no way to sugar coat the fact that remainers just cannot accept the result, and will use any propped up hogwash that appears to show people are changing their minds because that just is not happening. To say that the 2016 referendum is meaningless is unbelievably blinkered and should be taken more seriously. Maybe you'd be better suited to not expecting a U-turn, and employ the mindset that the majority spoke and the United Kingdom politicians have a duty to respect that decision, rather than sobbing into Junckers wet pants x

[Top Cats Hat]

7 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

 the majority spoke and the United Kingdom politicians have a duty to respect that decision

The majority were not in favour of leaving the EU and therefore respecting that decision is not to leave the EU.

 

In the weeks ahead this will become more and more obvious. 

[BrexitGuy]

2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The majority were not in favour of leaving the EU and therefore respecting that decision is not to leave the EU.

 

In the weeks ahead this will become more and more obvious. 

Can you actually see what you've written? Your analogy is like saying "Even though the Conservatives won the election, Labour did really...... We just didn't bother to vote".

It matters not a jot what anybodys thought process is over the result. The cold hard fact is that the results were in favour to leave, and that must be respected. I'm no Tory, but I didn't oppose the last general election result as it was a majority. 

I have absolutely no intention or desire to mock anyone or their views, but I will always stand up for democracy as it is the very fabric of what we as rational human beings stand for. Is Brexit good for us? Nobody knows, but we couldn't carry on being back door governed by a unelected body. Yes,we elect MEP,s but as guardians of our country. And that could never work as EU rules and laws are made exactly the same as British parliament, so our MEP could never overrule anything he/she didn't agree with, hence the need to remove ourselves from this blood sucking overbearing dictatorate. 

[Top Cats Hat]

5 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Can you actually see what you've written? Your analogy is like saying "Even though the Conservatives won the election, Labour did really...... We just didn't bother to vote".

 

It isn't anything like that.

 

We have a parliamentary process (endorsed by the ATV referendum in 2011) which selects a government by a 'first past the post system' where the party who gains the most seats gets to form the government regardless of the popular vote.

 

The referendum in 2016 was not legally binding and was therefore nothing more than a glorified poll. This poll showed that 37% of the electorate was in favour of remaining in the EU and 38% were in favour of leaving. The majority of people in 2016 did not vote to leave the EU and that majority has increased every month since then.

 

I say again, the referendum in 2016 obliges a government to do nothing. 

[I1L2T3]

2 hours ago, BrexitGuy said:

Next Tuesday will be an interesting day. Up to this evening, many conservative MP,s are still not in favour of Mrs Mays deal however a week is a long time in politics.

I’m not too fazed if they vote it through. The transition kicks in and it’s effectively  ‘as you were’ membership, with an extendable end date.

 

We’ll take the deal apart piece by piece until we’re effectively staying, perhaps Norway style. May’s deal is not the end for remainers. We’ll fight to keep our rights. Every step of the way.

[apelike]

30 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I say again, the referendum in 2016 obliges a government to do nothing. 

Quite right but that does not matter. The problem you have however is that the government endorsed the result as promised by the previous government and our democratically elected body called parliament also accepted the result. Parliament then voted overwhelmingly to enact A50 by an act pf parliament making it a democratically legal decision.

Edited December 7, 2018 by apelike

[Top Cats Hat]

24 minutes ago, apelike said:

Quite right but that does not matter. The problem you have however is that the government endorsed the result as promised by the previous government and our democratically elected body called parliament also accepted the result. Parliament then voted overwhelmingly to enact A50 by an act pf parliament making it a democratically legal decision.

Yes but what you are ignoring is that nothing is set in stone.

 

A manifesto does not commit a government to do something and law can be enacted about matters not included in any manifesto.

 

Parliament voted overwhelmingly to enact Article 50 and that same government can vote to halt it.