The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Mister M]

38 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Did you read the article correctly.  Why on earth is Priti Patel beneath contempt for stating the bad consequences of  a no deal Brexit for Ireland should have been highlighted more during the  Brexit negotiations?  I suggest you read the text with an open mind

 

At a Brexit event for local authorities held in Dublin this week, economist Dan O’Brien echoed those sentiments, adding that the threat of food shortages and supplies in a no-deal scenario shouldn’t be underestimated.

According to today’s article, the UK government report has indicated that there would be a 7% drop in GDP for Ireland, while the equivalent for the UK would be a drop of 5%.

 

Tory MP Priti Patel has told the paper that these warnings should have been used as leverage against Ireland to encourage them to drop the backstop. 

“This paper appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn’t this point been pressed home during negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.”

 

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/?utm_source=twitter_short

Leaving aside everything else, threatening a country with food shortages is incredibly crass and stupid given that decisions by the British government during the time of the Great Famine in the mid-19th century resulted in the death of 1m Irish people.

Though no doubt Patel thinks that'd be political correctness gone mad.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Mister M

[Lockdoctor]

8 minutes ago, altus said:

Because she stupidly hasn't considered the likely outcome of such an action - the EU would divert food it sends us to Ireland instead. The ones who'd suffer food shortages in such a scenario would be us.

The article stated over half of food imported into Ireland comes from the UK.  Why do you think Ireland imports over half of the food from the UK?   

 

Are the EU going to build and pay for  new ports and airports for Ireland?

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/state-told-to-build-ports-and-airports-or-face-brexit-woes-1.3311025

[Hots on]

I wouldn't be against a European Union as such, in principle, if the nature of it changed.

 

Oswald Mosley had an interesting position on Europe and Britain's role within it.

 

https://youtu.be/XYQ7PSwEiAk

Edited December 7, 2018 by Hots on

[Lockdoctor]

4 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Leaving aside everything else, threatening a country with food shortages is incredibly crass and stupid given that decisions by the British government during the time of the Great Famine in the mid-19th century resulted in the death of 1m Irish people.

Though no doubt Patel thinks that'd be political correctness gone mad.

I haven't seen any threats.   Do you not think how the Good Friday Peace Agreement has been used  to attempt to block Brexit  has been incredibly crass?

[Top Cats Hat]

1 hour ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Whoo hoo, now the Remoaners tell us that the ques at the ports will be, get ready for this little beaut, 6 MONTHS long.  Their claims are now reaching fever pitch. At least they are now so ridiculous as to be laughable.

You are completely living in cloud cuckoo land and making yourself look stupid.

 

I've spent years crossing the channel at Dover and know exactly how fragile the whole system is and that is with less than 3% of trucks being checked.. A boat is taken out of sevice during the day and the queues become miles long very very quickly. A passport till is unstaffed and cars and vehicles start backing up to the roundabout at the end of the A2. A day's industrial action at Calais and trucks back up for 20 miles on the M20. A booking computer goes down and cars are waiting for hours in the lanes in the port. A train gets stuck in the Eurotunnel and suddenly everyone is heading for Dover.

 

Now let's imagine all of those things happening at once and imagine the chaos. After a week you will start to have refrigeration units failing. Vets being called out to starving livestock. Drivers running out of diesel. Drivers running low on diesel and petrol and deciding to bail out of the queues. At some point the entire backlog will become gridlocked with no easy way of removing abandoned vehicles, dead and dying livestock and containers full of rotten food. The place soon becomes a health hazard and the police backed up by the army start to regulate access to the area.

 

Now extend that to Felixtowe, Holyhead, Fishguard, Portsmouth, Liverpool, Glasgow, Belfast, Blyth, Harwich, Hull, Stranraer, Warrenpoint and very soon we are in a real mess.

 

Shouting 'Project Fear!' at everything just makes you look stupid.

[truman]

12 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

I haven't seen any threats.   Do you not think how the Good Friday Peace Agreement has been used  to attempt to block Brexit  has been incredibly crass?

Wasn't the peace deal brokered by politicians voted in by the "Democratic people?

[altus]

9 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The article stated over half of food imported into Ireland comes from the UK.  Why do you think Ireland imports over half of the food from the UK?

Because they use more cereal than they grow.

 

Here's another perspective on the UK/Ireland food trade from the UK government.

 

On page 7 you'll see that:

• the UK exports £634 millions of cereals & cereal preparations to Ireland.
• the UK imports £2,878 millions of meat & meat preparations, dairy products & birds' eggs and miscellaneous edible products & preparations.

Other amounts of foodstuffs going either way are too small to appear on the tables.

 

It's clear we import more food from them than they import from us.

 

The UK has about 13 times the population of Ireland. If we both stop exporting food to each other, we'll be the ones to suffer most - particularly as the EU would rush to their aid not ours.

[BrexitGuy]

16 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

You are completely living in cloud cuckoo land and making yourself look stupid.

 

I've spent years crossing the channel at Dover and know exactly how fragile the whole system is and that is with less than 3% of trucks being checked.. A boat is taken out of sevice during the day and the queues become miles long very very quickly. A passport till is unstaffed and cars and vehicles start backing up to the roundabout at the end of the A2. A day's industrial action at Calais and trucks back up for 20 miles on the M20. A booking computer goes down and cars are waiting for hours in the lanes in the port. A train gets stuck in the Eurotunnel and suddenly everyone is heading for Dover.

 

Now let's imagine all of those things happening at once and imagine the chaos. After a week you will start to have refrigeration units failing. Vets being called out to starving livestock. Drivers running out of diesel. Drivers running low on diesel and petrol and deciding to bail out of the queues. At some point the entire backlog will become gridlocked with no easy way of removing abandoned vehicles, dead and dying livestock and containers full of rotten food. The place soon becomes a health hazard and the police backed up by the army start to regulate access to the area.

 

Now extend that to Felixtowe, Holyhead, Fishguard, Portsmouth, Liverpool, Glasgow, Belfast, Blyth, Harwich, Hull, Stranraer, Warrenpoint and very soon we are in a real mess.

 

Shouting 'Project Fear!' at everything just makes you look stupid.

That's quite an epic!! Stranraer? Really??? 

[Top Cats Hat]

6 minutes ago, truman said:

Wasn't the peace deal brokered by politicians voted in by the "Democratic people?

Yes, and endorsed by the vast majority of people in Ireland.

[Litotes]

2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Yes, and endorsed by the vast majority of people in Ireland.

Are you suggesting that the democratic process is trying to be overturned by the leave process?

Shame on you!