tzijlstra Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, OPEN BORDERS said: Anybody see the armoured vehicles on the streets of Paris yesterday with the EU flag on them ? And some people want to stay in this organisation. As I said in a previous post, these are very dangerous people. Anti democratic, an organisation that's almost impossible to leave. Surely we are better off leaving ? Would you mind answering where the 'trouble' in the Netherlands and Belgium was? Putting the EU flag on government vehicles is a choice for governments to make. France has a pro-European government and decided to put them on. The UK doesn't and decided not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 9 hours ago, Magilla said: No, it really isn't: No free movement of goods (goodbye JIT supply chains). Guarantees hard border in N.I. Very limited services options. It's entirely unsuitable. Not really, we'd be leaving the EU and it was indeed one of the many options touted by the leave campaigns as a successful outcome during the referendum. EFTA membership was supported by the official leave campaign, it was the only option their predictions showed *wouldn't* be a disaster for the UK economy. Norway pays similsr to us pro rata for that. They have free movement and accept many eu laws. I am open to a compromise arangement, but that clearly isn't one. A Canada plus deal is do-able and quickly as we are currently 100% aligned, a goods and services deal isn't rocket science. It allows smooth trade, no JIT issues and negates an NI border. Biggest problem is it highlights there is no need for the EU. The gravy train starts to get unpicked..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 6 hours ago, I1L2T3 said: The troubles had their roots in a desire for a United Ireland. In many ways it is now united, with a more or less seamless economy, free travel between north and south, and social and cultural ties increasing, and most importantly peace. the GFA and the structure of the EU facilitate that. Brexiters would trash both. Once you introduce barriers you risk stoking demands for a united Ireland again. Just to make this clear. Nobody is going to erect a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. Nobody. The British will not do it. The Irish will not do it. There will be no hard border. Now lets get on with Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, tzijlstra said: Would you mind answering where the 'trouble' in the Netherlands and Belgium was? Putting the EU flag on government vehicles is a choice for governments to make. France has a pro-European government and decided to put them on. The UK doesn't and decided not to. Here, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6474065/Hundreds-yellow-vest-protesters-detained-Paris.html and not going down well this EU malarkey is it, France ATTACKS Netherlands over Hanseatic League: ‘You’ll NEVER have France on your side!’ https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1049646/eu-news-france-hanseatic-league-the-netherlands?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain Edited December 9, 2018 by retep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert smith Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 You are wasting your time Retep , The guy lives here but wants our Country to be like his home land , that is one of the major things why 17 and half million people voted to get out of the corrupt( so called )Union that is the E.U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, woodview said: Norway pays similsr to us pro rata for that. They have free movement and accept many eu laws. I am open to a compromise arangement, but that clearly isn't one. Only after the fact. During the referendum they were totally fine Certainly, no-deal never was. When asked, the vast majority of leavers are prepared to compromise on free movement for economic prosperity 58 minutes ago, woodview said: A Canada plus deal is do-able and quickly as we are currently 100% aligned, a goods and services deal isn't rocket science. Except it breaks the EU's four freedoms, so it won't happen and indeed, hasn't. CETA falls well short of the financial services ‘passport’ that EEA membership provides and doesn't give free movement of goods. 58 minutes ago, woodview said: It allows smooth trade, no JIT issues and negates an NI border. No, it doesn't. CETA specifically recognises the need for border checks and ensures they take place! JIT would be severely disrupted, an N.I border a necessity. We'd also be bound by "country of origin" rules under a CETA type deal, which would be very bad news for the UK car industry. 58 minutes ago, woodview said: Biggest problem is it highlights there is no need for the EU. The gravy train starts to get unpicked..... Well, it would be if the notion were in anyway based in reality, but it isn't as far as the current structure of the UK economy is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 10 hours ago, apelike said: So lets get to the point.. why do you think the past troubles will start again if there is a hard border? You don't have to be too precise just good enough for an 8 year old to understand. The head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland predicts there will be: Police chief says 'hard Brexit' Irish border would be paramilitary target. He'll know far more about the situation and the likely reaction of paramilitaries than anyone on this forum. Wishful thinking by brexiters won't make difficult issues go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 hours ago, OPEN BORDERS said: Anybody see the armoured vehicles on the streets of Paris yesterday with the EU flag on them ? And some people want to stay in this organisation. As I said in a previous post, these are very dangerous people. Anti democratic, an organisation that's almost impossible to leave. Surely we are better off leaving ? have you noticed all the little EU flags on peoples car registration plates too? its nothing new, its nothing out of the ordinary and its not scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Magilla said: Except it breaks the EU's four freedoms, so it won't happen and indeed, hasn't. CETA falls well short of the financial services ‘passport’ that EEA membership provides and doesn't give free movement of goods. No, it doesn't. CETA specifically recognises the need for border checks and ensures they take place! (Shortened) Hence it's called Canada 'plus' to encompass finance and smooth customs. I import and export outside the eu, to tariff countries, electronic customs already solves lots of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Car Boot said: The British will not do it. The Irish will not do it. There will be no hard border. Now lets get on with Brexit. A very simple question. How would you prevent EU (and non-EU citizens) crossing into the UK, and how would you prevent smuggling between two different customs entities without some kind of hard border in Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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